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Old 11-30-11, 02:27 AM   #1601
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Dear Carleton,
This bike got posted in the jackass thread a few days back and we've been trying to figure out what the engineers behind this were thinking. I figured since it was a Rossin there was probably some reason why this design could've at least in theory been a good idea. Do you have any idea whats up with this?
I have no idea. That era of bike manufacturing produced lots of weird stuff.
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Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.
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I swear that has been asked here before. umm
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Old 11-30-11, 02:31 AM   #1603
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I swear that has been asked here before. umm
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But I don't expect everyone to keep up with the 50+ pages of this thread. I'm not gonna be all Nazi about it.
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Old 11-30-11, 02:57 AM   #1604
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I didn't mean it like that. I recall seeing it here but I couldn't find the post, so I stated it but also second guessing myself.
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I didn't mean it like that. I recall seeing it here but I couldn't find the post, so I stated it but also second guessing myself.
No, you were right, it was posted here just a week ago. No offense taken.

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Do you know what the point of this extended BB is on this ROssin?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROSSIN-Track...ht_25387wt_932

Is it to get some special geometry? Because to me it looks like that BB would flex a ton :/
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Carleton,

Are there any special cleat placement requirements for someone who is bow legged?
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Are there any special cleat placement requirements for someone who is bow legged?
I'm not sure. Maybe you'll require cleat wedges or something. It's best to talk to an experienced bike fitter.
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I'm only a few hours away from winning a track frame and intend to move all the parts over from my current bike sans the crankset.

I'm pretty set on either Sugino 75's or Dura-Ace 7710's. Which do you prefer, or rather, which do you think would be best for me? I have no track experience (might try it next spring) and I weigh around 170-180 lbs. Weight is not of huge concern. I would rather have stiffness and strength instead.

Also, I was looking at chainrings. The VeloSolo caught my eye. Do you know if these are reliable? I did a brief search and found next to nothing. If not that one, any chainring suggestions?
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Those VeloSolo are so sweet in person. Beautifully CNC'd 7075, which is probably the strongest material you could get besides stainless steel for a chainring and they look super nice.
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Why would you like in one of the few cities in the country with a track, and not go race on it? Hit me up, lets ride the track today.
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Old 11-30-11, 04:12 PM   #1611
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I would be stupid down if I didn't have to go to work in a couple hours.

And I have to pick up my car from firestone. Had a flat tire this morning out of ****ing nowhere.
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For real, send me a message sometime and we will go ride the track. I will show you what I know.
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Old 11-30-11, 08:40 PM   #1613
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Carleton,

Do you know why *** got permanently banned? I've heard a couple different things. I looked through some of his posts & threads and I didn't see anything that would warrant a full-on ban...
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grrr. I meant

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It was the filter.
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Wow. I didn't know that they filtered his name.

I think he kept breaking rules and then got into some arguement with a mod.
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IIRC he ended in some conversation about buying or selling something in a thread outside of a market subforum. I believe that led to the argument with the mods. The argument was over PMs but I guess previous infractions were taken into account. - I could be wrong, but this is what I remember was being discussed right after the ban.

It sucks, he is very informative and contributed a lot. I even met him at my first road race, cool guy. I too tried mentioned him in a thread and found it censored. so stupid
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Infraction points are on a system like drivers license points. They add up then expire over time. Too many within a short period will get you in a lot of trouble.
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Yeah, I think he had a couple temporary bans while I was around BF.


quick search yields 2 in 2010
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I have a fit question.

I have been reading a little on fit just to better understand if I can ride other frames. I base my bike fit off my road bike, which is comfortable for all day riding, that I have been riding for several years now as my first "serious" bike. It is a BD bike and from their geo. charts: 612mm TT, 73 seat tube angle, 74 head tube angle. I use a 130mm stem.

Do you think a frame with a 75 degree seat tube, 74/75 heat tube angle, and 58/59cm TT will fit similarly - maybe just for aggressively? It looks like the aluminum Leader frames match with this pretty well. I suppose I would end up with an additional inch of saddle/bar drop unless I get a positive stem and/or add some spacers, but I wonder how much that would take from the reach.
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I have a fit question.

I have been reading a little on fit just to better understand if I can ride other frames. I base my bike fit off my road bike, which is comfortable for all day riding, that I have been riding for several years now as my first "serious" bike. It is a BD bike and from their geo. charts: 612mm TT, 73 seat tube angle, 74 head tube angle. I use a 130mm stem.

Do you think a frame with a 75 degree seat tube, 74/75 heat tube angle, and 58/59cm TT will fit similarly - maybe just for aggressively? It looks like the aluminum Leader frames match with this pretty well. I suppose I would end up with an additional inch of saddle/bar drop unless I get a positive stem and/or add some spacers, but I wonder how much that would take from the reach.
The +2 degrees on the seat tube will effectively move your saddle maybe 1-2cm or more closer to the front of the bike. Basically shortening the TT in comparison to a bike with a 73 degree TT.

The best bet is to find a local bike shop with a "Fit Bike" (see below), and ask them to put in the angles, stem length, crank length, etc...of the new bike and sit on it and see how it feels. Tell the fitter that you don't need a full on fitting (which may take 1-2 hours), you just need him to put the settings in for the new frame and you want to sit on it and see how that single geometry feels. He can set it up before you get there and you show up sit on it and say "yea" or "nay" to yourself. It should only cost $30-40. Much less than a full fitting. It's $40, but much better than buying a frame then taking a loss if it doesn't fit.

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So, in short. I think a bike with the second geometry will feel much shorter. But, a set-back seatpost will help a lot. That effectively subtracts 2-3 degrees from your seat tube angle. So, then you new bike would still be about 2cm shorter in the top tube.

Sit on a bike with a 58/59cm top tube and a 73 degree seat tube (this is a common road bike configuration) and see how it feels to you.
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So I had it backwards.
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Sit on a bike with a 58/59cm top tube and a 73 degree seat tube (this is a common road bike configuration) and see how it feels to you.
That is the other thing I was wondering about since most of the large road frames I see top out with a 58/59cm TT. But now I'm wondering how my knee relative to the pedal spindle will be affected since I currently just slide the saddle all the way back. Maybe I can ride with a shorter stem and forward saddle to simulate. I havent seen one of those fit bikes at a shop, but maybe I missed it.

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Hmmm interesting.. I have a question also.

My Kagero has a +1.5 degree steeper seat tube angle than my Kilo TT.. but more TT length.

Do you think I should just get a 0 degree setback seat post since the TT is longer anyway? Or should I prioritize my femur (I think that's the right bone) length over TT length when it comes to seat post set back?
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Hmmm interesting.. I have a question also.

My Kagero has a +1.5 degree steeper seat tube angle than my Kilo TT.. but more TT length.

Do you think I should just get a 0 degree setback seat post since the TT is longer anyway? Or should I prioritize my femur (I think that's the right bone) length over TT length when it comes to seat post set back?
If your seat tube is steeper, then it stands to reason that your TT will be longer to keep your reach from the saddle to the bars the same. Getting a setback seat post will make you stretch out even more.

As a general rule, set your saddle's relationship with the bottom bracket first and don't touch it. This is the anchor of your bike fit. Adjust your reach with various TT lengths, stems, and handlebars. If you move your saddle backwards in order to get more reach, you are not only extending your arms, but you are also changing your leg's relationship with the cranks and pedals.
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