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Old 03-15-12, 08:11 AM   #2251
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Haha, I did wonder if maybe the subsequent impact is bad for the bike . . .
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I remember you mentioning using 38cm bars, I'm curious, what do you use on your road bike?

I'm a bit wary that 38cm may be too slim (I use a 42cm on my roadie). Is there any drawbacks to having bars that are too narrow?
You should use 38s. Trust.

I use 37s on my track bike and 40 on my road bike.

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I remember something about him using 37's...
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I should have clarified, seems tiny to me for a 6ft+ guy.
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Old 03-15-12, 08:23 AM   #2252
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I should have clarified, seems tiny to me for a 6ft+ guy.
I'm 6'4" and ride a 38. I can't notice any aerodynamic differences, but I get waaaay less side to side movement from the bike when sprinting. It's great. Bars are cheap, give it a shot to see how you like it.
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Old 03-15-12, 09:24 AM   #2253
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Also one more question: As a beginner on the track, racing with other beginners, how many crashes should I expect to be involved in? How many have you been in?
This one^?

Also, thanks, I will be going with the 38cm.
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Either or, I'm wondering what he uses on his roadie or what his actual "measurement" would be.

Also one more question: As a beginner on the track, racing with other beginners, how many crashes should I expect to be involved in? How many have you been in?
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Also, thanks, I will be going with the 38cm.
Zero and zero.

Track racing is safer than road, crits, MTB, and BMX in terms of wrecks.

Most "wrecks" on the track aren't wrecks at all. Just somebody sliding down the track because they are going too slow.

You see more videos of wrecks on the track because there is more footage of track racing than road or crits because track racing happens in one place and the camera is always watching. Only until recently did people start using GoPro type cameras to record the drama from local crits. Why are crits so much drama? Two words: Brakes and Corners. There are neither on the track.
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Old 03-15-12, 11:32 AM   #2255
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Dear Carleton:

I have slow-twitch muscles. I am a "climb big mountains all day" kind of rider. So, not a sprinter, and I don't think I have ever pedaled faster than 160rpm. Is there any hope for me on a track?

I ask because if our outdoor track ever gets built here in Boise I would love to get on it and race (because looks OMG fast!)
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Old 03-15-12, 11:37 AM   #2256
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Old 03-15-12, 11:39 AM   #2257
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Yes. You be fine.

Look into longer races and the individual and team pursuit.
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Yes. You be fine.

Look into longer races and the individual and team pursuit.
So my lack of RPM'age wont be too much of a hindrance? I suppose I could do leg speed and spinning drills to squeeze out a few more rpms, but at this point I dont think I'll be able to get above 175 or so. Maybe I'll just do mad squats and dead lifts to achieve standing start awesomeness like homeboy in the vid above...
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Spinning is only one way to gain speed.
Speed is only one element to a good racer.
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I should have clarified, seems tiny to me for a 6ft+ guy.
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So my lack of RPM'age wont be too much of a hindrance? I suppose I could do leg speed and spinning drills to squeeze out a few more rpms, but at this point I dont think I'll be able to get above 175 or so. Maybe I'll just do mad squats and dead lifts to achieve standing start awesomeness like homeboy in the vid above...
Want me to hold your hand and take you to the track?

Go race your bike. There is a race for every type of rider, be they strong, nimble, quick, grinding, smart, daring, or foolish.

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http://www.wekeepyoucycling.com/en/p...ight-tire.aspx

Thoughts for track only? High PSI, lightweight. Performance bike is out of the SE's that you had recommended previously.
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Old 03-16-12, 09:30 AM   #2263
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http://www.wekeepyoucycling.com/en/p...ight-tire.aspx

Thoughts for track only? High PSI, lightweight. Performance bike is out of the SE's that you had recommended previously.
Eh.

It's probably fine...but may not last. Superlight tires save weight by shaving rubber and/or the sidewall. You can always buy the tire from some other store

There are dozens of tires that will work just fine. Consider "Open Tubular" tires, too. They take higher PSI.

Vittoria Open Corsa Evo CX goes up to 145psi.
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Eh.

It's probably fine...but may not last. Superlight tires save weight by shaving rubber and/or the sidewall. You can always buy the tire from some other store

There are dozens of tires that will work just fine. Consider "Open Tubular" tires, too. They take higher PSI.

Vittoria Open Corsa Evo CX goes up to 145psi.
Will do.

Also, I was looking through the results for my local track, and there aren't very many (if any) sprint events. Are they just not as common? I'm seeing a lot of Omnium events (unsure what these are) and scratch races/point races that are 15~20 laps etc. At that point should I switch track drops to more comfortable road bars?
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Will do.

Also, I was looking through the results for my local track, and there aren't very many (if any) sprint events. Are they just not as common? I'm seeing a lot of Omnium events (unsure what these are) and scratch races/point races that are 15~20 laps etc. At that point should I switch track drops to more comfortable road bars?
Every track is different. If you want more sprint events, you'll have to ask...and get other people to ask.

Some tracks have a strong endurance focus, and yes, this sucks for sprinters. TTown is like that. DLV, on the other hand has short, medium, and long races throughout the month plus match sprints and short time trials both once a month.

As the saying goes, "A closed mouth doesn't get fed." Speak up and ask for what you want.
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Sounds good, I'll ask around. Thanks again.

One last tire question. Have you tried Veloflex Corsas? I've heard many good things from roadie friends. They say it feels almost at good as a tubular, are light, and are handmade (apparently).

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It has tan sidewalls giving it that classic look with all the modern day benefits available in today’s tire construction. Veloflex uses the finest materials possible and with the Kevlar belt and bead this tire holds the rim even at the feathery light weight of 180grams. Combined with their 320tpi cotton casing there isn’t a clincher on the market that gets closer to a tubular feel.

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Sounds good, I'll ask around. Thanks again.

One last tire question. Have you tried Veloflex Corsas? I've heard many good things from roadie friends. They say it feels almost at good as a tubular, are light, and are handmade (apparently).
I've used Veloflex record, but not Corsa. They make good tires.

Tires are important, but don't spend too much time on them. You've got MUCH bigger fish to fry right now. Things that will serve you better and make you faster than tires:

- Annual track pass
- Skinsuit or at least bib shorts + compression top
- A few quality chainrings and cogs (with tools to install them)
- A good bike fit

If you ask most regulars at the track what tires they have on their training wheels, they'd probably pause and have to think about it. It's really not that big of a deal.
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I've used Veloflex record, but not Corsa. They make good tires.

Tires are important, but don't spend too much time on them. You've got MUCH bigger fish to fry right now. Things that will serve you better and make you faster than tires:

- Annual track pass
- Skinsuit or at least bib shorts + compression top
- A few quality chainrings and cogs (with tools to install them)
- A good bike fit

If you ask most regulars at the track what tires they have on their training wheels, they'd probably pause and have to think about it. It's really not that big of a deal.
I need to get more bibs for sure, and more jerseys.

Annual track pass would be nice, but it doesn't count for races or beginner sessions at my track :C

At what point do I actually need to get a racing license? Does that just vary between tracks?
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I need to get more bibs for sure, and more jerseys.

Annual track pass would be nice, but it doesn't count for races or beginner sessions at my track :C

At what point do I actually need to get a racing license? Does that just vary between tracks?
You can apply for a license now. Category 5 means you are a new guy off the street. Here's how you upgrade. Read carefully and then ask any questions here.


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I'm confused as to how a license works now. Typically my local track: http://www.ridethetrack.com has an $15~$20 entry fee. Does having a licence wave the whole fee, or is a day licence fee (saw this mentioned on the USA Cycling site) something that's an additional fee to the entry fee?

I was under the impression that you needed a licence to race at all, but it seems like that is not the case, since there are "day licences". Now with these day licences, how is progress tracked, for say upgrades and what not?
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I'm confused as to how a license works now. Typically my local track: http://www.ridethetrack.com has an $15~$20 entry fee. Does having a licence wave the whole fee, or is a day licence fee (saw this mentioned on the USA Cycling site) something that's an additional fee to the entry fee?

I was under the impression that you needed a licence to race at all, but it seems like that is not the case, since there are "day licences". Now with these day licences, how is progress tracked, for say upgrades and what not?
A day license will be Cat 5. It's basically just to give people a chance to try things out or if they don't want to pay for $60 annual fee. A day license is still a license. Progress is not tracked.
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A license provides coverage of liability. Not every track runs under US Cycling, but most do. Generally you need a license and to play plus the entry fee for the event. Road, Cross, etc. are the same way. Here is St. Louis a night of track racing costs the same as the weekly crits, the cross races, the weekly time trial, etc. But for that cost you can get up to 8 races in a night, rather than the one every where else.
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Dear Carleton,

How do cigarette smokers perform on the track? I do not find my habit interfering with my sport activities, but I do not do any kind of racing. Do you find people that smoke perform worse in races or perhaps the smokers are absent from the track altogether? Maybe you are a smoker yourself? Thank you.
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Of course smoking will hinder your performance. It affects your lung capacity and diminishes the amount of oxygen in your blood, thus hurting performance.

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