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Old 07-16-11, 06:12 PM   #1
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Flying 200: a lot to think about!

Got a 12.06 today. That was technically my 2nd go at it.

Apparently I started too early and was way too far below the rail at execution and didn't carry a good line to that 3rd corner.

Hope to get into the 11 timeframe before this season ends. A new bike would be nice too. Not digging this steel frame. Its pretty but not fast.

Was faster than my first try a few weeks ago (12.58). I can see how this can get addicting. Surprised track racing isn't way more popular!
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Even at altitude, that's impressive. What gear did you use?
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49x15? You wrote "49x1s" That means you averaged 144RPM for 200M...nice. That's a really good starting point.

The Flying 200M is an unexpectedly hard event to nail. I raced with a guy who was one of the stronger road and mass start racers in the area. Not necessarily a "sprinter", just a solid all around racer. He'd ride a 12.1" one day and a 12.9" the next. It sort of bewildered him til a fellow racer explained the nuances and all of the ways we can screw it up.

I tell people to get a stopwatch and see how fast 0.1" passes by and then they get how the smallest thing can have adverse affects.

So, for me, the key is practice, practice, practice. As the saying goes, "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit."
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Ops I meant 49x14.

I really love the 200 and I rode a kilo at 1:15. I know I can improve that. I didn't push myself enough.

I really love racing. I love that it combines raw power with technique and tactics.

What do you think my 200 would be at sea level?
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What do you think my 200 would be at sea level?
Typically about 0.3 to 0.5 seconds slower. Also, other factors such as humidity and track surface will have a significant effect. Indoor tracks are faster than outdoors, which is why world championships are always indoors. I suggest you try different gearing. 49 x 14 is actually pretty tall gearing for a sprint effort like a flying 200m. Guys i know that turn times in the low 12s range use 47 x 14 or 48 x 14.
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I'll try a 48 or 47 next time if you think that would help improve. I want to experiment with different gears to see how they feel. I feel I'm better at pushing at higher rpms. So that will be interestingto play with.

Oh yeah, I just got a powertap setup. Looking fwd to playing with that as well.
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I'll try a 48 or 47 next time if you think that would help improve. I want to experiment with different gears to see how they feel. I feel I'm better at pushing at higher rpms. So that will be interestingto play with.

Oh yeah, I just got a powertap setup. Looking fwd to playing with that as well.
The powertap should give you useful information on this. The trick to doing a better 200m is to go faster, and the trick to going faster is to wind out the gear as much as possible. This is totally different from a longer effort like a 3K pursuit, where you need to stay below your lactic threshold. You'd be surprised how fast you can spin a lower gear. I practice a flying 200m in a 46 x 14 behind a derny, which gets me up to about 41mph and then drops me off at the 200m line. I can sustain that speed alone for about 50m and then drop down to about 38mph at the line. Understand that I'm 65 years old, so you can certainly do better than that. When I do a 200m by myself in an event, I'm usually running 47 x 14. Nelson Li, who is 45 years old, did an 11.504s 200m last year at the master's national championships in a 47 x 14.
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i took development class from nelson and was very impressed by him
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