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Old 02-26-12, 08:26 PM   #1
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If I want to concentrate and train solely for sprint events should I even participate in the endurance events. Other than base training and bike handling skills what other benefits would I receive ? Or realistically would it hinder my sprint performance ? Thanks in advance for any advice. Newbie
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Newbies should race every event they can. Period, no more questions.


Just kidding about the no more questions part. Having some sort of vauge inkling of what you may like, or may be good at is not really a good reason to limit yourself. It does not cost you any more(most of the time, at most tracks) to race in everything you can, so go for it. Just being on a bike, on the track, and around others will make you a better racer in every way.

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Newbies should race every event they can. Period, no more questions.


Just kidding about the no more questions part. Having some sort of vauge inkiling of what you may like, or may be good at is not really a good reason to limit yourself. It does not cost you any more(most of the time, at most tracks) to race in everything you can, so go for it. Just being on a bike, on the track, and around others will make you a better racer in every way.
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You should race as much as you can for several reasons:

1) You'll gain valuable experience. Even if that experience is in how to suffer. But, you'll also learn how to conserve energy, catch wheels and draft, recover on the bike, how to lead out, how to work for and shelter your teammates, how to think while being blasted.
2) Your bike handling will improve simply by having more track time.
3) You'll learn the art of blowing up after the first sprint in a points race hahaha.
4) If you get to beat up on the endurance guys in sprint races, it's only fair that they get to beat up on you in endurance races
5) You paid your money. Race your bike. A typical weekly race night will have maybe 2 short events and 2 long events. The short events won't be enough of a workout to leave your legs blasted. For many people, race day is the easiest training day of the week even when they race all of the races.
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Sounds good and I have had my share of suffering over the years! I have just read so much talk about specializing and how too much volume can affect your speed that I had to ask. Since I have it in my head that I want to be a sprinter I have forgone all aerobic training and concentrated on heavy lifting, standing starts and short duration all out efforts-- but I guess I need to suck it up and give it all a try-- so should I incorporate alot of steady state training as well?
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If you know you want to be a sprinter, I wouldn't wast time training for the endurance events. But I'd still do them for all the reasons these guys mentioned, plus-- it's good training. You will need to do some longer interval type stuff even as a sprinter, and the weekly club scratch/points/miss-and-out is a lot more entertaining than slogging away by yourself, so why not? I think I'd drop them a month out from a major sprint event, though.
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As always thanks BP!
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Joakley, Baby Puke makes a great point.

Endurance Racing is a LOT shorter than Endurance Training. Endurance Racing (long scratch races, points races, tempo, etc..) are slightly slower and are sub-maximal and provide just a little more volume per race than some sprinters can handle. So, I usually get dropped, but I get a great workout in the process.

Remember, your weekly training races are not the big show...or even the medium show. They are training races that should be integrated with the rest of your training.
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Sounds good and I have had my share of suffering over the years! I have just read so much talk about specializing and how too much volume can affect your speed that I had to ask. Since I have it in my head that I want to be a sprinter I have forgone all aerobic training and concentrated on heavy lifting, standing starts and short duration all out efforts-- but I guess I need to suck it up and give it all a try-- so should I incorporate alot of steady state training as well?
Some power endurance will be good, just in case the Sprint turns into a kilo...

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As an enduro rider coming from a road and road ITT background, I find endurance races on the track are really in name only; other than the longer points races, motor paces or madisons.

And even longer scratch races can turn into a sprint if you control the race and keep the pace slow till the last few laps.
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Dont think of enduro vs sprint on the track as any way related to road races. They are a totally different beast.

Cameron Meyer was/ is an enduro guy on the track. But he races best in the sprints on the road. Its the same for every one making the transition from the boards to that silly stuff with shifting and all that.
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I may have a different philosophy. I've been training my ass off since October strictly for sprints. This will be my first "real" year of track racing and I am a big guy, 200lbs and build more like a linebacker than a cyclist. I gained some good weight with all the time I've spent doing dead lifts, power cleans, squats etc. So my goal is to be a great sprinter. That said, I'm about to race a crit in a couple weeks. Strictly because I am curious and maybe I will decide its fun. Fun trumps everything else, even if it compromises my sprinting ever so slightly. I'm going to be 36 and my days of training for the Olympics are well behind me (although it's fun to dream). :-)
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