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Old 01-25-05, 07:43 PM   #1
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Lance and his Trek Track bike

Here it is boys and girls, lance armstrong with his track bike, it talks about him trying to beat the 1 hour record. there he is.

here is the link http://www2.trekbikes.com/News/01-23...Or_Wont_He.php

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Here it is boys and girls, lance armstrong with his track bike, it talks about him trying to beat the 1 hour record. there he is.

here is the link http://www2.trekbikes.com/News/01-23...Or_Wont_He.php

this is my first ever post in the single speed and fixed grear forum!, but not in the Bike forums.

Cool...maybe Trek will make a fixed gear bike similar to the Langster Pro or Major Taylor.
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heh....

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When Lance wasn’t riding his track bike (made for him at the Trek factory using a standard OCLV Carbon Madone frame with custom horizontal rear dropouts)...
trek madone road frame with horizontal droputs != track frame. put him on something like a corima, or a BT.
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trek madone road frame with horizontal droputs != track frame. put him on something like a corima, or a BT.
agreed
you can't take a madone road frame, put track fork ends on it and call it a track frame,
also,
i'm wondering how off the geometry would be for the velodrome, the other thing, i wonder if they put track specific forks on it?
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i'm guessing the BB is too low, the seat tube and head tube angles are too slack, and they probably didn't put track specific forks on it. it seems like they were only using it as a preliminary guide for wind tunnel testing. obviously, the madone road frame performs well in the wind tunnel, so i would guess they'll still use that design as the basis for a track-specific frame, should lance decide to go for the hour record. or they'll get a BT and rebadge it as a trek (like they used to do with litespeed blades for his TT bikes).

they'll probably stiffen up the chainstay/bottom bracket area a bit, and maybe play with the top tube length a bit depending on how comfortable lance is on a frame with quicker steering. they'd do well to start with a few steel or aluminum prototypes for sizing, and then move to a CF version to get the aerodynamics down....or he'll just ride a bunch of different bikes by different manufacturers until he finds one that he likes and just have them copy it.

depending on how serious he is about it, and how serious trek is about supporting his effort, it could take a while to get the bike dialed in perfectly.

am i incorrect in thinking that Lance used to race track?
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It also depends on where the power output numbers fall. If more power on the road angles, then go with that.

Also, a large part has to do with which record he is aiming at. The BT frame (or other aero frames) may not be a go with the standard record.
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that sounds/looks right,
i took a look side on of the frame and it looks pretty relaxed in the steer/seatpost angles.
it'll be interesting to see what they come up with.

i don't think he raced track?
never heard anything about it if he did anyway.
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It also depends on where the power output numbers fall. If more power on the road angles, then go with that.

Also, a large part has to do with which record he is aiming at. The BT frame (or other aero frames) may not be a go with the standard record.
true. i bet the bike he ends up with will look a lot like his TT road bike in terms of angles. i think that's probably the most demanding "event" in the TdF, in terms of sheer power output over time. and then he'll put track drops on it.

then again, he could end up with anything. either way, it would definitely be exciting to see him try for the hour record. and it'll be nice to see track racing get more exposure because of his name.
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I don't believe he ever did track stuff. Purebred roadie. I wouldn't be surprised to see him take an adapted TT frame into this. Maybe I'm being silly, but Trek places a lot of pride in the fact that Lance rides to victory on stock bikes. A TT frame will give him a pretty trackish set of angles.
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I would think they would change the madone to a TT frame, it just sounds more like common sense. Is it true that track racers use TTish bars, like they are TT bar but really smooth with no gears?
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I think I read somewhere that for the hour record you must use a steel track bike and plain drop bars. It has something to do with someone breaking Eddy's record and then people realizing how big a hand equipment plays in it. There are two separate titles, one if you use any equipment you want, and then the normal title for using the regulated equipment. There was an article about this in Bicycling a year or two ago. Man would that be cool to see Lance cruising around on a steel track bike.
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Cool...maybe Trek will make a fixed gear bike similar to the Langster Pro or Major Taylor.
they sort of already do. Trek owns Lemond, and Lemond has a fixed gear model out.
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He ain't gonna beat any record if he don't get off the stands.
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I don't believe he ever did track stuff. Purebred roadie. I wouldn't be surprised to see him take an adapted TT frame into this. Maybe I'm being silly, but Trek places a lot of pride in the fact that Lance rides to victory on stock bikes. A TT frame will give him a pretty trackish set of angles.

yeah, I don't think he ever rode track.

but he used to kick ass at triathlons.
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The man is god of bikes. He had a cross bike built just for him too, and I'm sure he could whomp the track. He can focus more intently than a precision laser.
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I'm kind of drunk, but did you really just write that?
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He can focus more intently than a precision laser.
hahahaha
amazing. here i just thought he was motivated
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It was the only thing I could think of...sorry
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There are two records he could shoot for: (1) the "athlete's" hour record using 70's era technology (that's Merckx's old record, broken by Boardman in 2000 but by only 10 meters) that the UCI recognizes and (2) the "ultimate" hour record (also held by Boardman) where you can use any technology/position...i'm not sure the UCI has anything to do with that one. I don't know that you have to use a steel frame for the athlete's record, but i do know you can't use aero wheels, bars, or frame tubes.
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It was the only thing I could think of...sorry
Just giving you a hard time, no need to take it seriously.
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Gotcha. Sarcasm is hard to decipher looking at text.
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a couple of links for info re the hour record:
http://www.speed101.com/now/fastest_0717_4.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/or/petermarsh/merckx.htm

also, lance may either pay to put a cover over one of the existing 'dromes at altitude (co. springs?) or build an entirely new covered 'drome, possibly in utah.
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I hope he does go for the Hour, and breaks it too (as much as I like Boardman, but it'd be amazing publicity for track riding). And he could be trying out a road-based bike because he knows it and is comfortable on it. Personally I would have started off with my TT bike and fixed it, but it's his call. At the end of the day, he'll use whatever bike he feels most confident on, not which one has the most 'traditional' geometry.

But I can't figure out why the UCI doesn't adopt standard TT/track regs for Hour attempts (ie the same bikes that everyone uses for Kilos and pursuits, still diamond frames but with 'all the usual refinements'). Using 40 year old technology for the sport's most covetted record seems a bit perverse to me (I can see where they're coming from, but 32h wheels, steel frames and drops? It's not like most people able to attempt the Hour don't have decent aero bikes anyway). And weirder still, at the World Cup in Manchester the other week (see my other thread further down) double Paralympic champion Darren Kenny used a standard pursuit bike for his Hour Record (CP3 Catagory), so the idea has obviously occured to them.
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It actually states in there that he wasn't on his track bike, but on this one with horiz dropouts.
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It actually states in there that he wasn't on his track bike, but on this one with horiz dropouts.
no, actually the article says: "When Lance wasn’t riding his track bike (made for him at the Trek factory using a standard OCLV Carbon Madone frame with custom horizontal rear dropouts) he was aboard his Team Time Trial bike to evaluate new information about positioning and some new materials used in his Nike skinsuit."

to which i commented more or less "a road frame with horizontal dropouts is not a track bike." the article is calling the madone with horizontal track ends, a track bike. and the article is wrong.
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