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willy704 05-19-13 08:11 PM

Generic Track Frame?
 
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I'm looking into building my own bike, and I was wondering what thoughts you guys have on this frame I found...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...A1C9T7ACO5T769

It looks VERY similar to the Dolan Track Champion. Would I be better off just getting a Dolan? It would be about $100 more than the build that I currently have in mind (see attached image). I could also, instead, get a Dolan Pre Cursa which would be the same price as building my own. Are there other track bikes/frames that you guys could recommend?


http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=317836

+ SRAM 48T Crankset & GXP BB (not shown in image)

carleton 05-19-13 08:49 PM

Do you plan on training/racing or riding on the street?

willy704 05-20-13 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by carleton (Post 15643883)
Do you plan on training/racing or riding on the street?

Training/racing

carleton 05-20-13 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by willy704 (Post 15644588)
Training/racing

Here's the thing with "eBay" frames:

- You don't know what you are getting.
- They are marketed towards "street fixie" riders
- The angles may not be track specific.

I would go with the Dolan Precursa being that it's a known frame.

I've found that it's more expensive to buy a bike a-la-carte than to buy complete. Have a look here:

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...Complete-Bikes
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...k-Racing-Bikes

willy704 05-20-13 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by carleton (Post 15645711)
Here's the thing with "eBay" frames:

- You don't know what you are getting.
- They are marketed towards "street fixie" riders
- The angles may not be track specific.

I would go with the Dolan Precursa being that it's a known frame.

I've found that it's more expensive to buy a bike a-la-carte than to buy complete. Have a look here:

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...Complete-Bikes
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...k-Racing-Bikes

Ugh, I just emailed Dolan, and shipping is so damn expensive; it would be 450 total to buy the frame and ship it to my house. Are there any good track bikes that I can easily have shipped in the US that you can recommend?

Kayce 05-20-13 08:26 PM

450 is INCREDIBLY low for a decent quality track frame.

willy704 05-20-13 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kayce (Post 15647975)
450 is INCREDIBLY low for a decent quality track frame.

Ya, but the rest of the parts will cost me another 500. I don't feel like I need a thousand dollar bike seeing as I am just starting out.

Kayce 05-20-13 09:01 PM

You have two options. Buy a $300 bike that needs another $100-$200 in upgrades to keep it ridable for a few seaons. Or spend $1000-$1500 now and not need to get anything until you get to the national champion level.

willy704 05-20-13 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kayce (Post 15648108)
You have two options. Buy a $300 bike that needs another $100-$200 in upgrades to keep it ridable for a few seaons. Or spend $1000-$1500 now and not need to get anything until you get to the national champion level.

I see your point. Unfortunately, I'm only 14, so my parents are going to be paying for this bike, and they don't want to spend a fortune. I'll probably take a look at my local velodrome. I think that they occasionally sell units from their loner fleet (Felt TK3s) for like half of retail price.

queerpunk 05-20-13 09:37 PM

Here's the thing about a decent track bike: a thousand dollar bike will last you for a long-ass time. Honestly, a frame/fork that costs four hundred bucks is something that can be ridden successfully at a very high level - and i can't say the same for the frame/fork that you linked. a bunch of red flags go up about stuff like that, and it basically tells me that yeah, it might be cheap in the short run, but in a year or two you're gonna buy another frame.

carleton 05-20-13 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by willy704 (Post 15648138)
I see your point. Unfortunately, I'm only 14, so my parents are going to be paying for this bike, and they don't want to spend a fortune. I'll probably take a look at my local velodrome. I think that they occasionally sell units from their loner fleet (Felt TK3s) for like half of retail price.

OK.

Consider the Fuji Track Classic: http://www.fujibikes.com/bike/details/track_classic_12

Then upgrade things as needed.

This bike is used as the loaner/teaching bikes at many tracks. It's not great, but it's a start.

What is your bottom line budget?

willy704 05-21-13 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by carleton (Post 15648262)
OK.

Consider the Fuji Track Classic: http://www.fujibikes.com/bike/details/track_classic_12

Then upgrade things as needed.

This bike is used as the loaner/teaching bikes at many tracks. It's not great, but it's a start.

What is your bottom line budget?

I want to get something under 700. I was also looking at IRO Mark V. Would that be a good option?

carleton 05-21-13 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by willy704 (Post 15649669)
I want to get something under 700. I was also looking at IRO Mark V. Would that be a good option?

The bike that I suggested above is $500.

No offense, but you probably won't get much "what should I buy on a budget" hand holding.

The best deals will come on used complete bikes. If you are on a budget and want nicer things, look on the used market.

willy704 05-21-13 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by carleton (Post 15650268)
The bike that I suggested above is $500.

No offense, but you probably won't get much "what should I buy on a budget" hand holding.

The best deals will come on used complete bikes. If you are on a budget and want nicer things, look on the used market.

Thanks, I'll look around for used deals.

carleton 05-21-13 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by willy704 (Post 15651240)
Thanks, I'll look around for used deals.

In the mean time, you can go to a bike shop to find out what size frame you need. Frames come in 2cm increments for a reason. That will help you. Don't buy a bike/frame that isn't your size just because it's a good deal. You *will* eventually replace it if it doesn't fit. That's wasted money.

Report back with what you find and we'll say "Yes that's good" or "Not really". But, asking what bike is for you out of the dozens available is a lot to ask.

brawlo 05-21-13 09:34 PM

Also consider the fact that in being only 14, you will most likely need a new frame in the not too distant future anyway.

With that in mind, I would keep an eye on the second hand market and keep your focus on the componentry attached to the frame. Do your research and keep an eye out for something with close to what you want and run with it. When it comes time to go to a larger frame, you can just transfer over all the good bits.

When I started, I wanted at least a good crankset. I got a great ebay deal that included Dura Ace hub wheels and DA crankset. Those bits are still kicking around on my current ride.

willy704 05-22-13 06:31 PM

I think that I might go with the frame that I originally was going for. I know it's not the best, but it has overall positive reviews and I'll probably outgrow it within a year or two, so longevity is not too big of a deal for me. I'll be putting quality components on it, anyway (SRAM crankset, SRAM BB).

carleton 05-22-13 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by willy704 (Post 15655871)
I think that I might go with the frame that I originally was going for. I know it's not the best, but it has overall positive reviews and I'll probably outgrow it within a year or two, so longevity is not too big of a deal for me. I'll be putting quality components on it, anyway (SRAM crankset, SRAM BB).

Why? Did you not read what I wrote about not knowing the angles? Not to mention, poor quality control and no real return policy.

I've worked on "ebay" frames before and they are inexpensive for a reason.

carleton 05-22-13 11:46 PM

I just found the frame on Ebay.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Track-Fixie-...-/300722824594

The geometry is awful for track racing:

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Track-Fixie-R...rgw~~60_12.JPG

willy704 05-23-13 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by carleton (Post 15656863)
I just found the frame on Ebay.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Track-Fixie-...-/300722824594

The geometry is awful for track racing:

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Track-Fixie-R...rgw~~60_12.JPG


Ok, you have convinced me. I didn't realize that the geometry would be so off.

Nagrom_ 05-23-13 05:09 PM

You can get a Kilo TT frame in bikeisland.com or a complete kilo tt on bikesdirect.com.
They have classic track geometry and are a good value for what they are. I've had one for over a year, held up well on the street, and is getting me through my first track season without issue.

willy704 05-23-13 05:49 PM

Is the Leader 725 frame good?

willy704 05-23-13 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nagrom_ (Post 15659700)
You can get a Kilo TT frame in bikeisland.com or a complete kilo tt on bikesdirect.com.
They have classic track geometry and are a good value for what they are. I've had one for over a year, held up well on the street, and is getting me through my first track season without issue.

I would probably get it, but I want an aluminum frame.

carleton 05-23-13 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by willy704 (Post 15659964)
I would probably get it, but I want an aluminum frame.

Dude, buy a complete bike. It is cheaper.'

If all of your parts arrived today in 10 boxes, what would you do next?

Do you have tools? Do you have a BB install tool? Do you know how to assemble them? If not, you will have to pay a shop around $100 to assemble it for you.

willy704 05-23-13 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by carleton (Post 15659976)
Dude, buy a complete bike. It is cheaper.'

If all of your parts arrived today in 10 boxes, what would you do next?

Do you have tools? Do you have a BB install tool? Do you know how to assemble them? If not, you will have to pay a shop around $100 to assemble it for you.

I was going to the tools at my local bike coop as far as installing the components. I think I will just end up buying a complete. I'm heading down to the track on Monday and I'll see if the have anything on sale.


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