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Not the Slowest 05-23-13 10:45 AM

Where to Buy Aero Booties for 47 shoes?
 
Most size listings are usually just BS.

I need some Aero Shoe Booties and I wear a 47 Euro.
Any BRAND and Style that are being used by others?

Thanks.

Rob

Baby Puke 05-23-13 01:01 PM

UCI illegal. Don't bother.

Not the Slowest 05-23-13 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Puke (Post 15658813)
UCI illegal. Don't bother.

HMMM, I'm still new at all of this but seems to be a non issue at my track. Maybe it's okay in the US but not at the National Level?
In fact Carleton has booties on his list of things to get for the track. Not that I believe is the way I will get faster, but a man can dream right?

xengravity 05-23-13 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Not the Slowest (Post 15658890)
HMMM, I'm still new at all of this but seems to be a non issue at my track. Maybe it's okay in the US but not at the National Level?
In fact Carleton has booties on his list of things to get for the track. Not that I believe is the way I will get faster, but a man can dream right?

Regardless of Carleton having booties, he nor anyone else can use them in a USAC/UCI race. There are tracks that use ATRA instead and do not go through USAC/UCI so they can choose not to follow those rules.

As Baby Puke mentioned, don't bother.

carleton 05-23-13 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Puke (Post 15658813)
UCI illegal. Don't bother.

Actually, they are only illegal on indoor tracks at UCI events. USA Masters Track Nationals and Elite Mass Start Track Nationals are held outdoors.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not the Slowest (Post 15658890)
HMMM, I'm still new at all of this but seems to be a non issue at my track. Maybe it's okay in the US but not at the National Level?
In fact Carleton has booties on his list of things to get for the track. Not that I believe is the way I will get faster, but a man can dream right?

Get them.

Try Pearl Izumi Barrier Lite latex booties. I wear a size 46 and they fit over them. 47 should be no problem.

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Originally Posted by xengravity (Post 15659014)
Regardless of Carleton having booties, he nor anyone else can use them in a USAC/UCI race. There are tracks that use ATRA instead and do not go through USAC/UCI so they can choose not to follow those rules.

As Baby Puke mentioned, don't bother.

-1

Bother :)

Not the Slowest 05-23-13 03:02 PM

I guess I have MY answer, Thanks Carleton.
All things being equal, I have a while until I see the ADVANATAGE of them in my results, but they are cheaper than the wheels I REALLY want.

Baby Puke 05-23-13 03:30 PM

C, I'm pretty sure they either already have or imminently will extend this to outdoor tracks to. I'd be interested if you find to the contrary as I cherish my red go-go booties and would love to keep using them. Yes, the Pearl Izumi's are nice.

wens 05-23-13 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Puke (Post 15659358)
C, I'm pretty sure they either already have or imminently will extend this to outdoor tracks to. I'd be interested if you find to the contrary as I cherish my red go-go booties and would love to keep using them. Yes, the Pearl Izumi's are nice.


Unlikely for the same reason booties aren't banned on the road: It's entirely possible for it to be cold enough for you to need booties, and in that case they're being used for warmth not aerodynamics (in the view of whoever capriciously makes rules at the UCI), so they stay legal.

Baby Puke 05-23-13 05:35 PM

Anyone doing this for a while knows the UCI knows no logic. Anybody have time to check the latest version of the rulebook? I thought I had it on good authority that the booties were out for track, period. Road's a different sport.

carleton 05-23-13 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wens (Post 15659656)
Unlikely for the same reason booties aren't banned on the road: It's entirely possible for it to be cold enough for you to need booties, and in that case they're being used for warmth not aerodynamics (in the view of whoever capriciously makes rules at the UCI), so they stay legal.

Here is the entire rule:
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1.3.033 - It is forbidden to wear non-essential items of clothing or items designed to influence the performances of a rider such as reducing air resistance or modifying the body of the rider (compression, stretching, support).

Items of clothing or equipment may be considered essential where weather conditions make them appropriate for the safety or the health of the rider. In this case, the nature and texture of the clothing or equipment must be clearly and solely justified by the need to protect the rider from bad weather conditions. Discretion in this respect is left to the race commissaires.

The use of shoe covers is prohibited during events on a covered track.

Equipment (helmets, shoes, jerseys, shorts, etc.) worn by the rider may not be adapted to serve any other purpose apart from that of clothing or safety by the addition or incorporation of mechanical or electronic systems which are not approved as technical innovations under article 1.3.004.

carleton 05-23-13 06:15 PM

There were a lot of laughs about this one:

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It is forbidden to wear non-essential items of clothing or items designed to influence the performances of a rider such as reducing air resistance or modifying the body of the rider (compression, stretching, support).
This effectively eliminates Skinsuits and ladies Sports Bras!

The UCI is nuts.

wens 05-23-13 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by carleton (Post 15659943)
There were a lot of laughs about this one:



This effectively eliminates Skinsuits and ladies Sports Bras!

The UCI is nuts.

At least it's not as bad as the FINA/NCAA swimsuits debacle. NCAA made a mid-season change to ban wearing more than one suit. The reason for the change was people wearing a buoyant suit under a low drag suit, at about a grand for each suit, and the suits were only good for one meet. Silly.

Baby Puke 05-23-13 07:44 PM

I guess the local cognoscenti at my track are interpreting this rule to say, "unless it's cold (enough? what is the limit?), you could be declared illegal for use of booties at an outdoor track", and it being down to the unpredictable discretion of officials, I interpret that to mean my booties are retired. I'll just wear them at home from now on. For ATRA races, or local more mellow races of course it's another ballgame.

EDIT: Also, I think the reducing air resistance clause precludes booties for track. Of course this should hold true for road time trials, but does anyone recall a certain world champion using an obviously illegal (by UCI standards) helmet and not hearing anything about that? It's down to what the official in front of you wants to enforce at that moment, but if they can enforce it, and you just won/set a PR, etc., I hope you are compliant with the letter of the rulebook.

So again I say, don't bother with the booties. But I am sad to say it. Love my booties...

carleton 05-23-13 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Puke (Post 15660305)
I guess the local cognoscenti at my track are interpreting this rule to say, "unless it's cold (enough? what is the limit?), you could be declared illegal for use of booties at an outdoor track", and it being down to the unpredictable discretion of officials, I interpret that to mean my booties are retired. I'll just wear them at home from now on. For ATRA races, or local more mellow races of course it's another ballgame.

EDIT: Also, I think the reducing air resistance clause precludes booties for track. Of course this should hold true for road time trials, but does anyone recall a certain world champion using an obviously illegal (by UCI standards) helmet and not hearing anything about that? It's down to what the official in front of you wants to enforce at that moment, but if they can enforce it, and you just won/set a PR, etc., I hope you are compliant with the letter of the rulebook.

So again I say, don't bother with the booties. But I am sad to say it. Love my booties...

When in doubt, walk up and kindly ask the head official before the event. I've done that before right after it was revealed that the older Casco Warp helmet didn't have CPSC certification (required for USA Cycling events).

Kayce 05-24-13 10:18 AM

The catlike helmets were also illegal in the US for a long time. Both have since gotten the right little sticker.

I was at Northbrook, and there was a guy running around the parking lot looking to buy a CPSC sticker for his old Casco.

xengravity 05-24-13 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Puke (Post 15660305)
I guess the local cognoscenti at my track are interpreting this rule to say, "unless it's cold (enough? what is the limit?), you could be declared illegal for use of booties at an outdoor track", and it being down to the unpredictable discretion of officials, I interpret that to mean my booties are retired. I'll just wear them at home from now on. For ATRA races, or local more mellow races of course it's another ballgame.

EDIT: Also, I think the reducing air resistance clause precludes booties for track. Of course this should hold true for road time trials, but does anyone recall a certain world champion using an obviously illegal (by UCI standards) helmet and not hearing anything about that? It's down to what the official in front of you wants to enforce at that moment, but if they can enforce it, and you just won/set a PR, etc., I hope you are compliant with the letter of the rulebook.

So again I say, don't bother with the booties. But I am sad to say it. Love my booties...

I'm with you on the interpretation of the rule.

UCI states that shoe covers cannot be worn for an aerodynamic advantage and that they cannot be worn indoors, ever. In the case of "inclement weather" shoe covers can be worn to keep the feet warm and outdoors only.

Given that the 2013 Master Track Nationals is in Indianapolis at the end of July to early August with average temperatures in the mid 80's i'd be reluctant to think that keeping the feet warm would be the intention of using shoe covers.

Since this is a new rule for 2013 we have yet to see how exactly it will be enforced.

shrinkboy 05-26-13 12:40 PM

i raced with full body suits for about 9 years and they were indeed awesome. a good quality suit was certainly good for more than one meet, although the first meet was usually the best. and they never cost a grand- i think the most i ever paid for a Speedo was less than $300

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Originally Posted by wens (Post 15660044)
At least it's not as bad as the FINA/NCAA swimsuits debacle. NCAA made a mid-season change to ban wearing more than one suit. The reason for the change was people wearing a buoyant suit under a low drag suit, at about a grand for each suit, and the suits were only good for one meet. Silly.


Jseis 05-26-13 02:03 PM

Sorta like NASCAR...21st century tech bodies powered by 20th century tech engines. I don't race but find the modern rules for any sport approaching formula ad nauseum given the governing bodies ability to arbitrarily or electively accept technology in one area...and exclude technology in another. The only real disadvantage in modern competition is the weird intersection of ancesteral genetics and/or not having enough money.

wens 05-26-13 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shrinkboy (Post 15669530)
i raced with full body suits for about 9 years and they were indeed awesome. a good quality suit was certainly good for more than one meet, although the first meet was usually the best. and they never cost a grand- i think the most i ever paid for a Speedo was less than $300

It didn't go nuts olympic cycle before they changed the rules to no below the knees suits, fabrics must be permeable, and suits can't be buoyant. But for a couple years it was absolutely insane.


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