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TrackMonkey7 06-04-13 07:05 PM

Upgrade or wait?
 
So as some of you may remember, I was intent on getting a Langster Pro as an upgrade from my old, worn out steel track bike. Unfortunately, they had no stock for the entire year and I just got word today from Specialized that they won't have any new ones until July or August, because of the '14 product reveal. This could be good or bad. Good because they could reveal a new 2014 Langster, or simply continue the product line they have now, or bad because they could discontinue it. Either way, I'm not sure what to do now. I know I want to upgrade the bike that I have now, but I'm not sure I want to build a bike up from a frameset if Specialized ends up putting out the same or better bike. What do you guys think I should do? Build up a new bike or use my old crappy one and wait for news from Specialized?

Flatballer 06-04-13 07:22 PM

Apparently the Langster doesn't have a great track geometry. Mine works, but people don't recommend it. Carleton will be along shortly to explain what's wrong with it. I'm interested too, because I'm actually thinking of getting rid of mine and changing to something with a better geometry.

carleton 06-04-13 08:14 PM

If you ride a 54, here is a great deal on a really good bike: https://twitter.com/kyleknott/status/341678003903934464

I know Kyle. He's a great guy. He's sponsored by Tiemeyer now. This is his old bike.

TrackMonkey7 06-04-13 11:04 PM

I'd love an FTP as a bike, but unfortunately I fit a 56. However, would it be wise to upgrade to something like that now, or wait to see what the big S does?

carleton 06-05-13 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrackMonkey7 (Post 15706205)
I'd love an FTP as a bike, but unfortunately I fit a 56. However, would it be wise to upgrade to something like that now, or wait to see what the big S does?

If you wait for Specialized to announce something at interbike, it won't ship till Spring 2014...that's assuming that you like it.

I'd buy something now and be riding by next week.

I had a friend that was wrecked with anxiety about buying a Mac. He was stressed about the idea of him buying a computer then a new better, faster model be introduced a few months later. He literally waited at least a year with cash-in-hand...and no computer. I still don't know if he ever bought one.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush :)

queerpunk 06-05-13 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flatballer (Post 15705572)
Apparently the Langster doesn't have a great track geometry. Mine works, but people don't recommend it. Carleton will be along shortly to explain what's wrong with it. I'm interested too, because I'm actually thinking of getting rid of mine and changing to something with a better geometry.

Before getting my 2013 Specialized Langster Pro, I too had concerns about the 73deg headtube being paired with a 45mm fork, and was planning on getting a 40mm fork for it to bring it to a more common pairing (the felt TK1, iirc, is 73deg/40mm).

But, with the 45mm fork, the trail value is still quite reasonable - 57mm - and i found that i don't notice anything unusual, unreliable, or unpredictable about how it handled on 43degree bankings. in fact, i prefer it to the 75/75deg bike with a 28mm fork that i had prior.

Specialized's production and supply processes, on the other hand...

JMCX 06-05-13 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrackMonkey7 (Post 15706205)
I'd love an FTP as a bike, but unfortunately I fit a 56. However, would it be wise to upgrade to something like that now, or wait to see what the big S does?

55cm TT on that FTP, just FYI.

Flatballer 06-05-13 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by queerpunk (Post 15706638)
Before getting my 2013 Specialized Langster Pro, I too had concerns about the 73deg headtube being paired with a 45mm fork, and was planning on getting a 40mm fork for it to bring it to a more common pairing (the felt TK1, iirc, is 73deg/40mm).

But, with the 45mm fork, the trail value is still quite reasonable - 57mm - and i found that i don't notice anything unusual, unreliable, or unpredictable about how it handled on 43degree bankings. in fact, i prefer it to the 75/75deg bike with a 28mm fork that i had prior.

Specialized's production and supply processes, on the other hand...

Yeah, I ride it on 42.5 degrees banking and it seems fine to me.

The TK1 is actually 73.5 and 40 in the size 55. Which yields a trail of 58. The Specialized (my model year, 2009) is 74/43, which yields a trail of 52. So I guess my bike should be really twitchy? It is a little hard to ride no hands, but other than that it seems to perform just fine for me. I do have to keep both hands on the bars in the corners though or it wants to flop around some. I guess that's probably not good, but skill should take care of that.

bitingduck 06-05-13 02:30 PM

I raced a Langster Pro around SoCal (and traveled a bit with it) for a few years between my steel Pinarello and my current Giant TCR. It's a fine mass start frame. If I were a big sprinter like Carleton I probably wouldn't like it, but it was just fine racing P/1/2 around here. People stress way too much about "true track geometry". It depends more on the kind of racing you want to do than anything else. In a mass start race a road-ish geometry isn't a bad thing- if you're steering hard at speed in a pack of 24 people, you're probably on your way to the apron with track rash.

Flatballer 06-05-13 06:36 PM

Isn't the Langster MORE twitchy than a track frame? It has less trail from what I'm seeing. Wouldn't that make it a sprint frame if it's anything?

Not the Slowest 06-06-13 08:54 AM

BUY A BIKE TODAY and RIDE TOMORROW.
Started Track last year and found a Felt TK3 early May and road all last year and I have been since April this year. Just tweaking some parts now such as the crank.
I REALLY suffer from buyers remorse and ya know something I really do not regret this bike at all except I would have preferred Black vs White which I got.
We all know that there will be options to be made so yours is simple here.
Ride Or Don't Ride?

Good Luck


Quote:

Originally Posted by carleton (Post 15706300)
If you wait for Specialized to announce something at interbike, it won't ship till Spring 2014...that's assuming that you like it.

I'd buy something now and be riding by next week.

I had a friend that was wrecked with anxiety about buying a Mac. He was stressed about the idea of him buying a computer then a new better, faster model be introduced a few months later. He literally waited at least a year with cash-in-hand...and no computer. I still don't know if he ever bought one.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush :)


TrackMonkey7 06-06-13 09:52 PM

In regards to the geometry, I've asked a buddy who I raced with last year who got a Langster Pro what he thought of the geometry compared to the Fuji rental bikes. He didn't notice any significant difference between the two in terms of handling. So I'm not bothered about that.

Perhaps I didn't give enough info in my first post. I have a KHS Flite 100 right now, which gets the job done, but I want an upgrade from it (who wouldn't?). I was originally hoping to get the Specialized because I work at a shop that deals Specialized, and I can get a great employee deal on them. I couldn't get one last year because I had already used my deal for a new road bike (I'm willing to bet I could have done it anyway). This year, however, the stock for the Langster got sold pretty quickly, while I was still in school, and was on backorder until recently. I learned this week from my shop's rep that it's completely sold out for now, and he won't know anything until the 2014 model year reveal.

So I figure I have basically two choices: Race on the KHS until the reveal to see if I can get the Langster, or try to upgrade now and not care what Specialized has to offer. I'm hoping I can get the Langster not because it's mindblowingly awesome in my mind but because it's the only new complete bike I can get my hands on. To get a complete track bike I'd need to find one on eBay, and lately my searches haven't been successful. I could also build up a bike myself, which I wouldn't mind apart from the cost, which would still be pretty high even with my shop discount.


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