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    Track Ends

    Has anyone here used the Paul Components drop outs/track ends on their velodrome track bikes? They are made for single speeds, but might be useful for the track. Or would they be viewed as unnecessary?


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    Paul Components make great quality stuff but those screw adjusters are useless on straight dropouts.
    Last edited by trackmaster; 03-07-05 at 11:41 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trackmaster
    Paul Components make great quality stuff but those screw adjusters are useless on straight dropouts.
    why do you say that?

    my friend makes his ground up trackends very similar to the pauls and i think they work great. you can get perfect chain tension with them. a lot cleaner and easier than chain tugs/tensioners.

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    Hey Isotopesope -
    ever hear of the threads failing on the adjuster? Just curious to see if your bud ever ran into this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [165]
    Hey Isotopesope -
    ever hear of the threads failing on the adjuster? Just curious to see if your bud ever ran into this.
    Thanks
    i haven't heard of a problem yet. i'll ask him about it though when i get home today. i think he uses 4340 cromo for the trackends, which is fairly hard stuff. i'm not sure what paul uses though. also, most of his track bikes are used only on the track. i think urban riding would be where those could possibly fail.

    i think if you used those hardened black machine bolts/nuts for the hardware, you would be ok. i wouldn't think it wouldn't be a big issue though, since the amount of engaged threads would be through that back part of the dropout/trackend/ovenmitt/lobster claw, plus the hardware. i would think there really shouldn't be that much force on them, as long as the axle nuts are properly tightened. i guess if you were using them to hold super high chain tension it could cause too much stress, which if you were running your chain super tight you deserve some equipment failure anyways. hahaha another cause for high stress might be skidding/skipping... but as long as your axle nuts are properly tightened to control that force, i still think they would be fine. but what the heck do i know!?

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    After my post, I did a bit more research and came up with this:



    These are the track ends for Marion Clignet's Look pursuit bike. A little more primitive than Paul's ends but same concept.

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    here is a picture of what the ground up track ends look like. eric said he has never heard of anyone having problems with pauls or his dropouts failing.

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    nice! great info all!

    Is Il Vecino still on Tejon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by [165]
    nice! great info all!

    Is Il Vecino still on Tejon?
    sure is.

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    nice! we used to hit that place for pizza and beers after the velo...man, I need to visit soon.
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    you should!

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    the johnny cash bike has paul dropouts that are modified a little and I know it was raced on the track for a period of time.

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    scott, did you get a decent shot of your new frame and fork yet? feel free to pull the wheels off the bianchi for some dress up accessories.

    how was the dentist? did you bite that mo-fo? "get out ma mouf piece, beotch! dis be my lunch hole, reprazent!"

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    the dentist was ok. he office is straight out of 1978 it sort of freaks me out. i am going to wait until all the prep work is done I think before I post any pictures. i hope tonight we can finish it up.

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    i'm reviving this thread because i was wondering if anyone has seen anybody selling eyeletted track ends. the kogswell model G has beautiful ends, but i've never seen anything similar as a standalone part, and i'd really like to use a pair to modify a road frame.



    the model G and the quickbeam are the only ones with them that come to mind right off hand.

    any leads?

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    yes, i have. lemme track them down.

    gunnar/waterford/milwaukee cycle use them on their fixed/singlespeed frames.
    though they might be a proprietary part.

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    ooh la la, thanks baxtefer, i hope you can find them.

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    You could also take ordinary fat track ends (not the little thin type like Paul--and others--ends) and just drill and tap some.

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    sorry, I can't find a source for the waterford ends...
    but this is what they look like:


    maybe you can order some directly from waterford?

    or maybe try drilling and tapping some henry james track ends, like bostontrevor suggested.
    http://www.henryjames.com/productlug.html#laserdo

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    i got an email from kogswell the other day regarding selling their track ends as a seperate item.

    "I'll get some and offer them. That's a good, easy
    thing to do.

    They aren't very all that fancy. But they are tough
    and useful."

    so, in a few weeks these will be for sale on the kogswell website, apparently. woohoo.

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    I had the Paul Dropouts put on an old Gary Fisher MTB frame and rode that for a few years. TrackMaster is right though. The screw adjusters are worse than useless.

    I had no need to make any adjustments for about a full season, so I never touched them. Everything was great....Then I wanted to change the gearing...A need to adjust the screws....they wouldn't move....we tried everytihing... Ended up using a dremel and cutting it off on either side of the dropouts.

    I'd much rather add chaintugs on the back of dropouts now..

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