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    Track Tires.... need some help here

    I looked through the Track Threads and didnt see anything on this, so I hope this isnt a repeat.

    I am usually a street rider, but I just bought a track frame off of craigslist that I would like to build up specifically for use on the track. I ride with Conti Gatorskins on my Fuji Track for the street, but I was wondering...

    What tires does everyone use on the Velodrome? Do most track riders use tubulars or clinchers? ... or is it a good mix of both? Pardon my ignorance. I guess I would like to find out before buying some new rims for this frame.

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    peep this:
    Rims for tubulars

    some talk here on tires (tubulars)
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    You need to look at the regulations for your track. Some don't have rules, some only allow you on with tubulars (rare).

    At my local track, Hellyer park in San Jose, you can pretty much use anything as its not an aggressive track. A lot of the beginner bikes just have 'street tires'. The bike advantage of Tubulars is that they're much lighter (tires+rims) than clinchers, have a very responsive ride and offer some people the surity that their tire is not going to roll off their rim at speed on banked tracks.

    That said, for most tracks Clinchers are great training and racing tires. I've used both Vittoria Ultra speed (now replaced by something else) and Contie Supersonics clinchers which are both lightweight, have a high thread count and ride on the track really well. I was told to look for tires that can take more than 125 PSI and these got recommended to me.

    Now, I've just switched to tubulars mainly because I got a great deal on a bike with a tubular wheelset.

    See for plenty of information on tubulars vs clinchers:
    http://www.fixedgearfever.com/module...0ba1a2919dfa7d
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    http://www.fixedgearfever.com/module...0ba1a2919dfa7d

    I would suggest going down to your local track for a beginner session (you can rent bikes at most tracks) and talk to the instructors. They can probably give you some really tips specific to the track you're going to ride on most. Plus you'll also have a base line for comparison.

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    holy cow - great info fixedpip!
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    thanks fixedpip and 165.... good info. After reading about a million posts I decided last night to put down a bid on a tubular wheel (i need a 650 front wheel... pffft, goodluck) I went to my LBS today and spoke with a bunch of people and they recommended going with the clinchers and building up a wheel since there is pretty much only one place in philly who will even handle tubular tires. So it looks like I will be building up a wheelset. anyway, thanks for all the great info, I will keep posting as things change.
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    where is there a velodrome in philly
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisgraham81
    where is there a velodrome in philly
    there isnt one, but there is a velo in Trexeltown, PA... so I will be using that one.
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    So I have my choice of any tubulars EAI offers as well as QBP's tubular selection. Should I go with high zoot silk or cotton (Dugast, Gan Well, Clement, Soyo, etc) just because I can or stick with proven S3s or Vittoria Pista Evos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12XU
    So I have my choice of any tubulars EAI offers as well as QBP's tubular selection. Should I go with high zoot silk or cotton (Dugast, Gan Well, Clement, Soyo, etc) just because I can or stick with proven S3s or Vittoria Pista Evos?
    What are you using them for - street or track? If track, is it indoors, outdoors, what sort of surface etc? What races are you likely to be doing and at what level? The longevity of some of the tubs you mention varies hugely - some of them are very delicate, ultra light best-race-only tyres (eg silk Dugasts), whilst others are much more suitable for general training / track league use... We need more info!

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    I'm going to be racing on an outdoor track (Major Taylor drome in Indy) and will be doing beginner races (Cat 4-5), at least to start. I figured Dugast were only necessary for elite racing, but I wasn't sure if the durability was reflexive of this. I'd likely need some workhorse tires to start and then may move up to the high zoot ish. I was thinking maybe I should pick up the last of the Dugasts if they're still in stock rather than paying ~200 apiece later on..

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    12XU

    I've experience of the Dugasts (cotton casing), the Tufo S3s (Lites and heavier Pros) and the Vittoria Pista CS and Evo CS. All have been great tyres - no problems with any of these, but they do vary widely in their durability / intended use. As a beginner to the track who will be riding outdoors, I'd strongly suggest going for a more durable and longer lasting tyre like the Vittoria Pista CS or the Tufo S3 Pros. They're both inexpensive (I'm in the UK - presume US is similar?) and are tough enough to handle the rougher surfaces of an outdoor track. You can probably buy 2 or 3 of these for the price of a Dugast or an S3 lite.
    I've used the Vittoria Pista Evo CS and the S3 Lites outdoors and got less than 3 months use out of the rear tyres - they use a very soft, thin tread which doesn't last on rough surfaces.
    If going indoors, the other factor is adhesion - some tread compunds are better than others on certain tracks. Your best bet is to check with the track itself, but in general I've had no problems with Dugasts, S3 Lites or Evo Cs on Manchester and Calshot indoor tracks in the UK. Carbon black tread with a slight file-pattern rather than slick seems to be the way to go for the smoother indoor tracks.
    Feel-wise, outdoors there's little difference between the brands I've mentioned; indoors I'd rate the Dugasts and the EVO Cs as the most 'supple' / least harsh feeling. Again, all the models you're looking at are good quality tubs and should feel good - we're talking very subjective differences here.

    Other random thoughts - small punctures in the Tufos can be repaired using their sealant; the other tyres will need to be opened up to be repaired. OTOH if teh Tufos get anything more than this they are irrepairable and have to be binned whereas the others can be opened and patched (Tufos have no separate inner tube). The cheaper tubs in the range you're looking at can run at lower pressures than the high end ones (eg as low as 115psi vs 150psi). I find this an advantage despite all the excitement that surrounds the max pressure figures of these tyres; I find that the adhesion of tyres on steeper indoor tracks (45 degrees) is much better at 120psi than at 150psi+. I'd leave the higher pressures to the shallower banked tracks and the pursuiters / kilo specialists for whom adhesion is less of an issue.

    Welcome to the track - you'll have a blast!!

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    it is too late for this but anyhow...

    Trash those clinchers and get any 22mms tubulars, if u dont have money to get super duper ones get vittoria 22mms tubulars from your LBS, those are cheap and ride fine so far. And u will be able to use them in the street aswell.

    Good luck

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    Thanks for all of the advice, Mickster. I think I'll be going with an Evo CL or S3 Pro to start!

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