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Old 09-27-13, 01:04 PM   #26
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its sad to me that everyone thinks they deserve to get everything on their own terms these days. I assume its a product of "score-less" Soccer games, everyone's need to go directly to "Expert" without doing the work, or just general self centered "its all about me" BS... lets be honest- you don't get 10,000 forum post by being a guy who thinks he has a lot to learn from other people...

FGF was an elite forum that brought together some of the best Track Cycling Mechanics, Athletes and Coaches from around the world. Elite world champions, masters world champions, National champions- any one of them would answer your questions with the knowledge that you can only have if you've reached the top of your sport, and the only requirement was that you (us newbs) had to do a little leg work with the search function and make sure not to waste these guys time- and don't ask a bunch of stupid questions.

the goal of keeping FGF on topic was that it would always serve as a searchable encyclopedia of track cycling knowledge- Id say, as a person who regularly uses it for reference, that was accomplished.

Yes- some eggs were broken in the making of that omelet.

no disrespect to this forum or the people who have brought it back to life- in 2008 when i was last active, this place was a ghost town... but this is in no way the same thing as FGF. its just not.
I think you are looking at this from your singular point of view.

Rude is rude. Just because someone had good things to day, doesn't mean they have the right to say it how they like. You, obviously, were not turned off by this. Many were. A speaker having contempt for his audience is not a good thing. I do not want to be in that audience. The bigger men/women have respect for their audience and treat them as such.

Also, no one is saying that this site is on par with FGF. We often send people over to FGF when they need more in-depth info. And also look at the comments in this thread and you'll see the respect that we have/had for FGF.

I think that FGF, with as much as it did accomplish, could have done more...by getting out of its own way. The harsh "bro" environment and the "you aren't anything unless you have won an age-grouped masters national championship or better" mentality was crippling. The general consensus from those world-level elites outside of the forum was that we at FGF had no idea what we were talking about on a lot of subjects. Notice how most of the Elite/World level US riders didn't post. They just came there to sell stuff.

A lot of newbies were sent to that site and asked questions in the Beginner's forum, and were promptly shut down. That was crazy to watch. If veterans didn't want to read inane beginner questions, then they shouldn't go into the forum titled, "Beginners Help - A great place for beginners to ask questions. Doesn't matter about what! Gears, Equipment, Tactics..."

Quinn, FGF has to accept the good with the bad. The reputation is what it is...laurels and warts.
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Old 09-29-13, 06:01 AM   #27
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Is there an easy way to archive these threads into PDF form?
Nothing is eternal, but archive.org will probably keep the content available for a long time.

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Old 09-29-13, 05:57 PM   #28
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I think you are looking at this from your singular point of view.

Rude is rude. Just because someone had good things to day, doesn't mean they have the right to say it how they like. You, obviously, were not turned off by this. Many were. A speaker having contempt for his audience is not a good thing. I do not want to be in that audience. The bigger men/women have respect for their audience and treat them as such.

Also, no one is saying that this site is on par with FGF. We often send people over to FGF when they need more in-depth info. And also look at the comments in this thread and you'll see the respect that we have/had for FGF.

I think that FGF, with as much as it did accomplish, could have done more...by getting out of its own way. The harsh "bro" environment and the "you aren't anything unless you have won an age-grouped masters national championship or better" mentality was crippling. The general consensus from those world-level elites outside of the forum was that we at FGF had no idea what we were talking about on a lot of subjects. Notice how most of the Elite/World level US riders didn't post. They just came there to sell stuff.

A lot of newbies were sent to that site and asked questions in the Beginner's forum, and were promptly shut down. That was crazy to watch. If veterans didn't want to read inane beginner questions, then they shouldn't go into the forum titled, "Beginners Help - A great place for beginners to ask questions. Doesn't matter about what! Gears, Equipment, Tactics..."

Quinn, FGF has to accept the good with the bad. The reputation is what it is...laurels and warts.
I have won age group masters National Championships and still found the attitude and mentality of a few of the regulars to be harsh and elitist. So much so that I don't believe I ever posted there.

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Old 11-15-13, 11:18 PM   #29
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I think I know who you might be referring to and remember, I trained under him in ATL for a full season. I got to experience it 4-5 days a week. Not fun.
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I have been on FGF since '01 -- but hadn't seriously posted in 3 or 4 years -- sad it is closing up , but really -- when you check in and the newest post is 4 months old in a thread group, then the act of shutting down the site is merely a formality

Been using this site to jibber jabber about vintage bikes and mountain bikes -- didn't realize you had a track area until tonight ! - Cool
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