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Brian Ratliff 09-24-13 11:40 PM

FixedGearFever seems to be closing!
 
Here's the post with the news. I found out about the site after it had gone into decline. It's too bad, there was some good information there.

Here are some of my favorite threads from that site:

weight training maintenance in season

Big dogs

Serious Question

sprint defense against the "kilo rider"

Dalai 09-25-13 12:10 AM

Saw this earlier today. I've been a member for years and it has always been a pretty quiet forum, but has a wealth of information in there when you search through the topics.

Pity it's closing down though not surprising...

carleton 09-25-13 02:19 AM

Yeah, Scott (the owner) stopped being active (in forums or site maintenance) a couple of years ago.

Honestly, I found the environment OK at best and hostile at worst. They often ran curious newbs off. New guys needed thick skin to hang around and be accepted. Most people just lurked...even registered members.

It's weird that topics with only a few participants would have worldwide viewers. I'd go to the track and have people say, "I saw what you wrote on the forum and I agree/disagree.."

There was one story about Chris Hoy attempting the Kilo world record in La Paz, Bolivia (at altitude) and misses the world record by 0.005 of a second. This was his last Kilo ever at the peak of his Kilo career.


Hoy said, in Heroes Villians and Velodromes, "I went online when I was in Miami. And I was on a website--a forum where they were discussing the record attempt and someone, an American, said something: "

'I noticed Chris Hoy's wheel was in backwards--I guess the British team must have done some tests in the wind tunnel and found that those wheels are more aerodynamic when reversed...'

Hoy continues, "It was a mistake, my fault." "I've no idea what it cost us in terms of time. You think about it, but I don't blame anyone. I should have noticed..."

That site was FixedGearFever. Here is that thread :) : http://www.fixedgearfever.com/module...ewtopic&t=3268

queerpunk 09-25-13 06:11 AM

That's a bummer. I hope it's archived somehow.... but I doubt that'll be the case.

Brian Ratliff 09-25-13 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by queerpunk (Post 16101747)
That's a bummer. I hope it's archived somehow.... but I doubt that'll be the case.

I did a little archiving on my own for the four threads above. Seems like 2007/8 was kind of the heyday for that site. Most of the interesting stuff I've found is from that timeframe.

Brian Ratliff 09-25-13 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carleton (Post 16101566)
...
Honestly, I found the environment OK at best and hostile at worst. They often ran curious newbs off. New guys needed thick skin to hang around and be accepted. Most people just lurked...even registered members.

It's weird that topics with only a few participants would have worldwide viewers. I'd go to the track and have people say, "I saw what you wrote on the forum and I agree/disagree.."
...

There was a lot of "we've already talked about this, no need to rehash it..." attitude. People forget that, even on the Internet, information is a living thing. Even if you hashed it out last year, it's not trivial to search for it all over again, and reading as a spectator in an old thread is not as informative as revisiting the topic with fresh points of view.

I would love to, for instance, keep rehashing the gearing question posed in "Big dogs". I was watching stuff from the mid-90s on YouTube and even stuff going back into the late 80s, when they were racing gears in the 90-94" range, and the 200m times were not all too different than modern times (races were resulting in ~10.5sec range).

carleton 09-25-13 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff (Post 16102270)
There was a lot of "we've already talked about this, no need to rehash it..." attitude. People forget that, even on the Internet, information is a living thing. Even if you hashed it out last year, it's not trivial to search for it all over again, and reading as a spectator in an old thread is not as informative as revisiting the topic with fresh points of view.

I would love to, for instance, keep rehashing the gearing question posed in "Big dogs". I was watching stuff from the mid-90s on YouTube and even stuff going back into the late 80s, when they were racing gears in the 90-94" range, and the 200m times were not all too different than modern times (races were resulting in ~10.5sec range).

EXACTLY!

My old coach was the loudest voice on that site (and #1 poster by post count). He was set in his ways. I noticed that he didn't say much when I posted proof from the London Olympics that the guys in the Flying 200M *were not* touching 150RPM, much less AVERAGING over 150RPM as he would always assert.

Here is Njsane Phillip (finished 4th in sprints) at the 200M start line, where it is assumed he is at MAX speed/cadence:

It reads "140" for cadence (in lower right corner)
http://cdn.mos.bikeradar.com/images/...z2h-670-75.jpg

All of the riders SRMs showed less than 150RPM.

The "150RPM" was an old standard on that site which has since been turned on its ear with new information.

Maybe this site will become the new reference and I'll be the old guy who doesn't know what the hell I'm talking about. A guy can dream, right? :D

Jaytron 09-25-13 02:10 PM

That "high or low rpm" debate has been running through my head forever.

Is there an easy way to archive these threads into PDF form?

carleton 09-25-13 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaytron (Post 16103392)
That "high or low rpm" debate has been running through my head forever.

Is there an easy way to archive these threads into PDF form?

I'm not sure. I have saved a bunch of stuff that user "Isaac" wrote off into some txt files. That guy is a genius.

There are/were some big names there. Olympians, national team members, world-level coaches, sports scientists (literally they guy who wrote the book on training with power meters), etc...

Like others have stated, it had its heyday. Nothing gold can stay.

What really amazed me is that it didn't get overrun by hipsters over the years.

Jaytron 09-25-13 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carleton (Post 16103438)
I'm not sure. I have saved a bunch of stuff that user "Issac" wrote off into some txt files. That guy is a genius.

There are/were some big names there. Olympians, national team members, world-level coaches, sports scientists (literally they guy who wrote the book on training with power meters), etc...

Like others have stated, it had its heyday. Nothing gold can stay.

What really amazed me is that it didn't get overrun by hipsters over the years.

When I heard the name for the first time, I thought it was going to be a super hipster site. LOL

Brian Ratliff 09-25-13 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaytron (Post 16103392)
That "high or low rpm" debate has been running through my head forever.

Is there an easy way to archive these threads into PDF form?

Top right on the page there's a "print" button. I used that on each page of the discussion and printed to pdf. The only problem is if the thread ran 11 pages, I'd have to print 11 pdfs. It wasn't too bad. Did it while watching TV.

Baby Puke 09-25-13 11:40 PM

This place was a HUGE resource when I started getting into track in 2008. I was so obsessed back then that I read the entire contents of the beginner's help and track racing forums! I'd also highly recommend those going back and having a look to in particular check out posts by used Isaac.

I don't really understand the fall off in activity, and I'll be sad to see it go.

brawlo 09-26-13 12:49 AM

That site is full of great info and I have trawled through it extensively. I'm kind of lucky now in that I have some good knowledge around me and this forum is definitely filling a gap too.

Velocirapture 09-26-13 07:06 AM

Sounds like it was awesome.
any tech gurus out there able to import threads/ info into this forum??

carleton 09-26-13 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velocirapture (Post 16105391)
Sounds like it was awesome.
any tech gurus out there able to import threads/ info into this forum??

There are lots of hurdles with that plan:

- Mapping user accounts. Most FGF users are not BF users.
- Ownership rights. Scott is a one-man operation and BF is part of a larger corporation. I would assume that Scott owns that content. Also, the users posted their words to FGF, NOT BF. So, is it cool to move all of that here without their permission?

I'm sort of torn. I've been on BF since 2005. I've been active there since 2009. I'm #9 on FGF's all-time posts list (not sure if that is good or bad, haha). I know Scott personally as we lived and raced in ATL together.

I see where he's coming from. Starting a site is easy...maintaining one is difficult. That includes maintaining the technical side (updates, dealing with spam and hackers, etc..) as well as maintaining interest in it. We all have had various interests in our lives that come and go. Some last longer than others, some are shorter than others.

Jaytron 09-26-13 11:52 AM

I suppose we can try and take some info and throw it into a single PDF per topic and link to it via a sticky.

carleton 09-26-13 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaytron (Post 16106374)
I suppose we can try and take some info and throw it into a single PDF per topic and link to it via a sticky.

I think the better way would be to link to the web archive as opposed to copying the information and reposting it here in an effort to avoid any copyright drama.

It's is OK to repost snips under the umbrella of "Fair Use" as a topic of discussion. But, taking entire threads and posting them is pushing it.

Quinn8it 09-26-13 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff (Post 16102270)
There was a lot of "we've already talked about this, no need to rehash it..."

A lot of people went into FGF new to Track Racing and got their feelings hurt by the less than fuzzy environment... some of us wiped the tears away and did what we were told- and became much better bike racers because of it.

the reason there is a thread on another forum about how our community can preserve this priceless resource- is because of the key members who fought to keep the site focused, on topic and relevant to our sport.

i'd say we owe those key members a thank you

JMR 09-26-13 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carleton (Post 16101566)

Honestly, I found the environment OK at best and hostile at worst. They often ran curious newbs off. New guys needed thick skin to hang around and be accepted.

I agree with this... I just lurked (only the past couple of years) and noticed some of the regular posters were pretty hostile. It seems to happen with a lot of forums, this one being a notable exception which is great.

I hate the forums were anytime anyone asks a question, the first reply is " use the search function". They are called a discussion forum for a reason... what is the problem if the same question arises again a few times?? Does it take up too much precious disk space in the interwebs?? I don't get it.

JMR

brawlo 09-26-13 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMR (Post 16107766)
I agree with this... I just lurked (only the past couple of years) and noticed some of the regular posters were pretty hostile. It seems to happen with a lot of forums, this one being a notable exception which is great.

I hate the forums were anytime anyone asks a question, the first reply is " use the search function". They are called a discussion forum for a reason... what is the problem if the same question arises again a few times?? Does it take up too much precious disk space in the interwebs?? I don't get it.

JMR

It seemed some particular individuals there just couldn't spend time with repeating themselves over and over again. Instead it seemed they preferred to spend their time doing much more productive stuff like beating their chest about how much better their training regime was or how someone else's shouldn't work.

I found if you did search about before posting and considered what you put forward, there was enough help around to be beneficial.

carleton 09-26-13 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMR (Post 16107766)
I agree with this... I just lurked (only the past couple of years) and noticed some of the regular posters were pretty hostile. It seems to happen with a lot of forums, this one being a notable exception which is great.

I hate the forums were anytime anyone asks a question, the first reply is " use the search function". They are called a discussion forum for a reason... what is the problem if the same question arises again a few times?? Does it take up too much precious disk space in the interwebs?? I don't get it.

JMR

Yeah, what we try to do in this forum is, if a newbie asks a question that has been asked recently a lot, we link them to the thread with the info and close the new thread. That works better than shooing them off. We also try to sticky good threads.

carleton 09-26-13 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinn8it (Post 16107684)
A lot of people went into FGF new to Track Racing and got their feelings hurt by the less than fuzzy environment... some of us wiped the tears away and did what we were told- and became much better bike racers because of it.

the reason there is a thread on another forum about how our community can preserve this priceless resource- is because of the key members who fought to keep the site focused, on topic and relevant to our sport.

i'd say we owe those key members a thank you

No one is questioning that FGF was and still is a good resource. It wasn't the message, it was the delivery. As the saying goes, "You'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

In 2010, I watched as a newbie who said that he was an ex NFL player come to the site and express interest in sprinting. He wasn't bragging. I think people quizzed him enough till he mentioned it. Initially he just led with the fact that he was familiar with weight training at very high levels (which piqued the ears of certain members). The regulars gave him the business and he never came back.

That is also why there were so many lurkers who didn't want to post. I know people personally who simply didn't post for fear of inviting drama.

You can stay focused and on-topic without being offensive. We are very focused and on-topic here without the harshness. The key is present and active moderation, which did not exist at FGF.

Here people get mad, say rude/mean things and it is cleaned up immediately and repeat offenders risk losing their privilege to be here.

Again, this is a hobby, not a career. It's supposed to be fun and challenging. Not drama.

Quinn8it 09-26-13 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carleton (Post 16108320)
"You'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

sure! but will those flies help you break 1:14 on your kilo?

carleton 09-26-13 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinn8it (Post 16108355)
sure! but will those flies help you break 1:14 on your kilo?

If I tie them to my skinsuit...they might :D

I think I know who you might be referring to and remember, I trained under him in ATL for a full season. I got to experience it 4-5 days a week. Not fun.

But, hey, if it worked for you (and it did, congrats on the 1:07), then that's cool. But, for me, it didn't work.

Quinn8it 09-27-13 10:54 AM

its sad to me that everyone thinks they deserve to get everything on their own terms these days. I assume its a product of "score-less" Soccer games, everyone's need to go directly to "Expert" without doing the work, or just general self centered "its all about me" BS... lets be honest- you don't get 10,000 forum post by being a guy who thinks he has a lot to learn from other people...

FGF was an elite forum that brought together some of the best Track Cycling Mechanics, Athletes and Coaches from around the world. Elite world champions, masters world champions, National champions- any one of them would answer your questions with the knowledge that you can only have if you've reached the top of your sport, and the only requirement was that you (us newbs) had to do a little leg work with the search function and make sure not to waste these guys time- and don't ask a bunch of stupid questions.

the goal of keeping FGF on topic was that it would always serve as a searchable encyclopedia of track cycling knowledge- Id say, as a person who regularly uses it for reference, that was accomplished.

Yes- some eggs were broken in the making of that omelet.

no disrespect to this forum or the people who have brought it back to life- in 2008 when i was last active, this place was a ghost town... but this is in no way the same thing as FGF. its just not.


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