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MarkWW 10-13-13 09:18 PM

Thoughts on the Hollywood Championship Cycling 4-day
 
So we have some live coverage at a few various sources for the last day tonight. Who's watching? What's everybody think so far?

http://www.mncyclingcenter.org/
http://usacrits.com/hcc-live-stream/
and a few others.

bitingduck 10-14-13 08:19 AM

I was there live all three nights-- great racing.

queerpunk 10-14-13 08:38 AM

I tuned in for a while - pretty fun to watch and very cool to have that kind of mixed international field racing in the US.

Hida Yanra 10-14-13 10:26 AM

I watched Sunday's racing - the racing seemed to shake out quite differently than one-day racing from what I could tell on twitter from the other days and the video from last night. More races-wthin-races for sure.

Tactically, I would have thought there would be a bit more cooperation between teams in the final madison to isolate the US, they got isolated, but it was from chasing each team individually. On that note, I was impressed that the US team did hold on for as long as they did - it wasn't until to the last two laps or so that the other pair completed the lap.

Also of interest to me, it was fascinating how big the gap was between track specialists whom I know to be very strong and the Euro-pro level guys... big, big gap.

Another one - Marvulli is on the tail end of his career, I didn't see much live action from last year's 6-day circuit, just results... but when he goes now it doesn't look the way it used to.

Oh, 4-person kierin races? They seriously couldn't find another two-three strong guys in So-Cal in fill the start-line out? The tactics in those races were all wacky because 4th wheel isn't really that far back from the head of the race... stick a strong guy in 7th wheel and the attacking starts a lot sooner.

bitingduck 10-14-13 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hida Yanra (Post 16159668)
Tactically, I would have thought there would be a bit more cooperation between teams in the final madison to isolate the US, they got isolated, but it was from chasing each team individually. On that note, I was impressed that the US team did hold on for as long as they did - it wasn't until to the last two laps or so that the other pair completed the lap.

No need to isolate them-- they got beat up pretty well covering attacks, and then had to do most of the chasing of the Germans, with help from Euro All Stars and Austria, and everybody else sitting in.

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Also of interest to me, it was fascinating how big the gap was between track specialists whom I know to be very strong and the Euro-pro level guys... big, big gap.
The only way to get to that level is to race at that level, and there's been a lot of work over the past several years to send young riders over to europe to get a lot of madison experience. Most of the US riders have *way* less experience than the euros. Colby is probably the only one with comparable experience, and it shows, but the american riders put on a pretty good show.

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Another one - Marvulli is on the tail end of his career, I didn't see much live action from last year's 6-day circuit, just results... but when he goes now it doesn't look the way it used to.
He didn't look like he was working too hard most of the weekend. Every once in a while you could see him visibly punch the clock and go to work. He's got a few more years-- madison seems to be dominated by the old guys with experience.

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Oh, 4-person kierin races? They seriously couldn't find another two-three strong guys in So-Cal in fill the start-line out? The tactics in those races were all wacky because 4th wheel isn't really that far back from the head of the race... stick a strong guy in 7th wheel and the attacking starts a lot sooner.
Probably could have got a few more, but it all apparently got put together on pretty short notice. I haven't been at the track much lately so I'm not sure who else is in town who they might have pulled in. Even the world cups don't usually seem to run more than 6-up though. The sprinters were putting on a bit of a show, doing stuff that would get them pulled in a regular race-- a wee bit more head butting than you can get away with in the usual international racing.


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