I would not recommend road frames at the track. It is a pedal strike issue and that depends on the track. At the Superdrome in Frisco, TX, the banking is 45 degrees but the surface is rough such that sprinters during match sprint competitions will slow down at times on the banking and if the cranks are too long or insufficient bottom bracket clearance, there will be a pedal strike. I watched a guy on a road frame hit twice and slide down the track and took himself out of the competition.
At tracks like Hellyer that is a 333 meters and 23 degree banking, it is not a problem.
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Thinking about going with speedplay for track pedals for track clearance. Think the Track Special pedals are a good idea/necessary, or just more likely to make me fall over?
The Track Special pedals are harder to disengage. Interesting, but not necessary. You cannot adjust the release tension on Speedplays. So you are basically just opting for a higher-tension spring with these. Or you could buy LOOK/Shimano pedals and adjust the spring as you see fit with an allen wrench.
Source: I've owned them all.
Roger. Well I've been thinking about going to Speedplay anyway, so it might be a good opportunity to try 'em out.
Seems like most guys at my track backup with straps/clips. Seems unnecessary with today's high quality clipless pedals and cleats, but what do most guys do elsewhere at the amateur level?
What about something like this? Just need something to get through this season... if I really like track racing, I can save up and get something slick for next year
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Doesn't LOOK like great clearance with the BB, though. Most of the track frames I've been looking at look a lot higher in relation to the fork ends
If you are on a budget, it is most cost effective to buy a complete bike and buy $35 pedals.
looks like my track is offering upgrade points for chariot races, keirins, and belgian win n out. i'm assuming this is for the struggling group of "sprinters" who aren't doing so well in the omnium. i thought these races were just for fun and now they are giving out points for winning this omnium. what's next flying 200s, kiddie kilo, hellyer crawl?!
i was able to get my 5-3 last year riding 4-5 hours a week so it wasn't that hard. it was my first year riding and racing. i'm overweight and have zero talent. i'm a few points away from my 2. still over weight but riding 8-10 hours now....
if you can't win a 4/5 or 3/4 omnium you might want to look into a new hobby.
maybe i'm just being a grumpy old fart.
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Impreza with the gloves right across Jaytron's face! Haha.
look at our 1/2 omnium riders. they won the omnium and sprint event last friday against guys only doing the sprint. they won't race districts because they only do the sprints for fun. they are our fastest sprinters even compared to hellyer's sprint specialists. I'm just saying take a look at your goals and think them out seriously.
your team is fast no doubt but y'all need to learn how to ride mass start events. I don't know if you've noticed but your team doesn't have the best track record for riding safely. many are involved in close calls and crashes. i would take that to heart. I would never want to be known or associated with dangerous riding.
it's time to htfu and win some real races. none of this chariot race upgrade points nonsense. you should be able to crush a 15 lap scratch and a 8 lap win n out e4 race. 1/2/3 races might be difficult but that's why you take advantage when they combine e3/4 field. I'm honestly surprised this flyed with john simmons I'm sure there was a lot of pressure for him to say yes. I saw mansker place 3rd in a 60 lap points race at encino... if you want to get to that level put in some work. don't be scared...
getting your cat 2 winning chariot races against nobody's is a joke. make sure to mark your cat 2 license with an asterisk.
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The old way is not necessarily the right way. I agree that the lower cat upgrades 5to4, But in an area and time of specializing, it is silly to make a sprinter ride a bunch of scratch races that will harm his nathional goals to get his upgrade.
The Northbrook sprint omnium has a good way of doing sprint events in a way to get good upgrade points. In addition to a sprint tournement there is usually a short scratch race or a win and out. Scratches are scratches, but a little wilder on short ones, and win and outs often take some of the best riding and skill to do well in. Keirins are the same way, it takes a lot of bike handling to perform in one as well.
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i can agree with that but even if you do specialize in sprint events you should be able to do well in a 10 lap scratch, 30 lap points, and 7 lap win n out. this has been the format for the 3/4 and 4/5 races. I'm sure any national sprinter can crush that.
with all talk this about sprinting I might have to change up my plans for next year. lift and ride will be the new motto.
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You guys need to ditch the whole categories for track. Yes you need should separate the fast/experienced people from the slow/new people, but you don't need USAC involved to do that for you.
Have an A and B race, Jr race, Masters, etc based on who shows up. Why apply a national level system to local racing.
I don't know why the shorter races/different format should be considered any less legitimate than the traditional format. It's just different, right? And I'm sure those same enduros who are kicking sprinter ass are welcome to show up.
This conversation is pretty interesting. My gut impulse is along the lines of "sack up and win a cat 3 omnium if you want to be an elite-level sprinter" but that's fairly uncritical... it's true that the upgrade system is geared toward enduros and ignores track cycling; and, in a lot of places, it seems like omniums are also weighted toward enduro events.
But how many deserving people does this really bar from nat'l level races? I'd guess very few.
Also, topic for conversation: Are scratch races really endurance events? I think not. They're not sprint events, either, but to me they're clearly sprinter-vs-enduro events.
A short scratch race? Maybe. But anything over 10 laps a group of elite mass start racers will drop the prototypical elite sprinter like a stone. It's not like it's a parade to the finish... more like a series of constant attacks from people trying to gain laps.
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I have, in fact I've podiumed more than one that have come in under 21 minutes.
I'm thinking of races longer than warmup races and shorter than 10-mi scratches; the scratch final at the Indy NTC race was 6km. Even at speeds averaging around 30mph, in a field bigger than 16 or so riders there's plenty of space for a sprinter to hang out in shelter with his fingers in his nose.
I'm not saying it's a sprint race, I'm just saying that the point of those races is for enduros to try to break sprinters, and for sprinters to try to keep things together. And that sometimes, they do.
Taking the macro view, the US is not competitive in intl track competition basically at all except for the anomaly of Sarah Hammer. I think Jaytron's coach is basically of the opinion tha this is not a good system and might stand a re-think. I tend to agree. Now I know there's all kinds of reasons for the lack of intl success, but offering a wider range of racing for riders of different dispositions and focus probably couldn't hurt. Maybe worth a try? I'm not saying people shouldn't do mass start. I agree that it's essential for learning bike handling and pack riding skill and these do come in handy even in sprint events. But maybe after you get the cat 3 upgrade it would be possible to "specialize" a little?
Eta I have no opinion on whether the system should be changed. I just think there are bigger issues preventing international success.
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Agreed, there's a lot of problems, lack of tracks being a primary one. My pet theory is that if we could somehow bridge BMX to track like the Brits have we'd see a lot more juniors and sprinters as well.