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    hellyer doesn't mind stem or saddle mounted gopros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    There may be a UCI rule against them
    There is. http://www.uci.ch/docs/rules/part_3track.pdf

    3.2.005

    Riders may carry no object on them or on their bicycles that could drop onto the track. They may not bear or use on the track any music player or radio communication system.
    In addition, any electronic device with display (for instance speedometer or powermeter) must be hidden to that it cannot be read by the riders.
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    So its a bit of interpretation still. A camera that is mounted just as secure as any other part on the bike isn't falling off, any more than an electronic display (which is allowed). In any case, at your local track on the Friday night world championship, as long as it was in a place like under your stem I really doubt anyone is going to give you grief about it.

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    Cameras are in use at Marymoor both front and rear (at the same time) and the moto has had one. Just make sure it is secure and you are not riding differently because of it. For tactics I think you would be better off having someone record the race from the stands so you can see everything going on. Unlike a crit the whole race is visible from one spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalai View Post
    There is. http://www.uci.ch/docs/rules/part_3track.pdf

    3.2.005

    Riders may carry no object on them or on their bicycles that could drop onto the track. They may not bear or use on the track any music player or radio communication system.
    In addition, any electronic device with display (for instance speedometer or powermeter) must be hidden to that it cannot be read by the riders.
    That's not a rule against cameras. If a rider can demonstrate that it can't drop on to the track any more than any other part that's bolted to the bike, that's fine. If it doesn't play music, communicate by radio, or have a visible electronic display, then, all's kosher.
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    I'm looking for one or two track racing jerseys - any suggestions for a source? (I have a Lycra Kucharik track jersey but is too hot).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 700wheel View Post
    I'm looking for one or two track racing jerseys - any suggestions for a source? (I have a Lycra Kucharik track jersey but is too hot).
    You misspelled skinsuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hida Yanra View Post
    there are two, and only two situations in which it is acceptable for bicycle racers to run:
    1. Bears
    2. The police

    that is all.
    (I bought a pair of racing flats two months ago, sort of enjoying them... not currently self-identified as a "bicycle racer" :/)
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    Quote Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
    That's not a rule against cameras. If a rider can demonstrate that it can't drop on to the track any more than any other part that's bolted to the bike, that's fine. If it doesn't play music, communicate by radio, or have a visible electronic display, then, all's kosher.
    Issue with anything open to interpretation is always getting the other person to agree. As soon as it is a commissaire the effort is compounded...
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    Is it legal for me to have stoker levers / dummy brake hoods on my track bike? Not that I'll really use them on the track, but it's over an hours cycle to the track itself and they're nice to have on longer rides on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omiak View Post
    Is it legal for me to have stoker levers / dummy brake hoods on my track bike? Not that I'll really use them on the track, but it's over an hours cycle to the track itself and they're nice to have on longer rides on the road.
    No they aren't allowed. Best idea maybe to have a friend that drives to the track carry your race bars with them.
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    We ran keirins for the first time last night at Penrose, The 15mph start speed felt painfully slow, and took all the riders a while to get dropped back in behind the motor. Over the rounds we figured out the timing of the start, so it got better. Do others find the 15mph start too slow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayce View Post
    We ran keirins for the first time last night at Penrose, The 15mph start speed felt painfully slow, and took all the riders a while to get dropped back in behind the motor. Over the rounds we figured out the timing of the start, so it got better. Do others find the 15mph start too slow?
    For men the speed is more like 18-19. With the no push rule and if the *** fires as the motor crosses the line You need to push a bit just to catch the motor.

    3.2.137
    The pacer shall ride within the sprinter line, starting at 30 kph and shall gradually increase speed to

    50 kph which should be achieved at least 4 laps to go (250 m tracks). He shall leave the track as

    directed by the Commissaires, in principle 600-700 metres before the finish.

    For Junior Women and Elite Women the respective speed shall be 25 kph and 45 kph.

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    i would prefer to get dropped off at 30 mph.

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    But also, yes, that first lap does tend to feel slow - especially when turning over a keirin gear. You're just kind of sharking around wondering if you should change position and horn in on some other rider, and waiting for the speed to increase. And hoping that the driver accelerates smoothly.
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    Small, random, track-related feedback rather than question; had a brief spin (brief since 'i'm still technically off-the-bike with a bad cold) with my new 33cm Alpina bars, to at least have a superficial try-out.
    Wow.
    I expected them to to be different, and require some adjusting to. There will still be some adjusting, but the primary first impression was not so much 'different', as 'great!'.
    Although a big part of that is fit - which would probably only apply to a smaller (haha!) % of people for such a narrow bar, the rest of the thumbs up comes from the standing-start position; the hand being so much more in line with the foot is really fantastic. you can feel the benefit in power transfer. the hype is genuine ;-).
    Looking forward to getting some more time on them at higher speeds and in some bunches
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocirapture View Post
    Small, random, track-related feedback rather than question; had a brief spin (brief since 'i'm still technically off-the-bike with a bad cold) with my new 33cm Alpina bars, to at least have a superficial try-out.
    Wow.
    I expected them to to be different, and require some adjusting to. There will still be some adjusting, but the primary first impression was not so much 'different', as 'great!'.
    Although a big part of that is fit - which would probably only apply to a smaller (haha!) % of people for such a narrow bar, the rest of the thumbs up comes from the standing-start position; the hand being so much more in line with the foot is really fantastic. you can feel the benefit in power transfer. the hype is genuine ;-).
    Looking forward to getting some more time on them at higher speeds and in some bunches
    I'm glad you like them!

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    how often do people convert a TT bike to a pursuit bike? I was thinking of turning my new P3 into one for the winter, since it has rear dropouts (which are actually a pain with gears/derailleur) and is probably faster than my T1. Also don't have any need for a TT bike from October to May so I don't lose anything really and ideally gain a 'faster' bike.

    Plan is to simply run 170 cranks and the 110bcd crank thats on there and hope it lines up on the big ring bolts. I do the same with my T1 and it works perfect.

    Only thing I dont understand is making a track wheel fit. Ive heard of used spacers, like washers? Is that all that is?

    Is it safe to assume a UCI legal TT bike would be UCI legal pursuit bike? Talking seat, bars, fork, etc.

    Im not concerned with the shorter drop out as I won't be changing gears much, it will be for pursuit only. A 15/14 mix is all it has to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocirapture View Post
    Small, random, track-related feedback rather than question; had a brief spin (brief since 'i'm still technically off-the-bike with a bad cold) with my new 33cm Alpina bars, to at least have a superficial try-out.
    Wow.
    I expected them to to be different, and require some adjusting to. There will still be some adjusting, but the primary first impression was not so much 'different', as 'great!'.
    Although a big part of that is fit - which would probably only apply to a smaller (haha!) % of people for such a narrow bar, the rest of the thumbs up comes from the standing-start position; the hand being so much more in line with the foot is really fantastic. you can feel the benefit in power transfer. the hype is genuine ;-).
    Looking forward to getting some more time on them at higher speeds and in some bunches
    I went to the 37 scattos this year and love them. I had 40 cm bars before and my scattos measure about 36 where I hold them. I have not noticed any issues, other than they feel good and strong. I was close to buying the 35s and now kinda wonder if I should have gone more narrow, but for sure there is no need for wider. I have been racing on them, and even did a number of madison races with them and no issues at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    how often do people convert a TT bike to a pursuit bike?
    Pretty sure it has been done before. Biggest concern in my mind would be the BB height followed by spacing out the rear effectively...
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    I just went on the track for the first time last night and I had a blast! I am going to go back every week!! I did notice how small my gearing is compared to the rest of the riders. I am currently running 45x16. should I invest in a smaller cog 13-14 or larger chainring first?


    Thanks!

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    I would suggest a 48t chainring and a 15t cog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickymare View Post
    I just went on the track for the first time last night and I had a blast! I am going to go back every week!! I did notice how small my gearing is compared to the rest of the riders. I am currently running 45x16. should I invest in a smaller cog 13-14 or larger chainring first?


    Thanks!
    I suggest 48 x 17 until you get used to track riding then switch to 48 x 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 700wheel View Post
    I suggest 48 x 17 until you get used to track riding then switch to 48 x 15.
    48x17 is almost exactly what he already has (76"). Adding a 15t gives him 76, 81, 86 progression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickymare View Post
    I just went on the track for the first time last night and I had a blast! I am going to go back every week!! I did notice how small my gearing is compared to the rest of the riders. I am currently running 45x16. should I invest in a smaller cog 13-14 or larger chainring first?


    Thanks!
    Do not get a 13, that is for sprint training or big gear pursuit riders and IMO is too small for track chains for most. 14 - 17 are the most used back cogs with 45-50+ on the front. I like VanceMac suggestions of gears, go 15 next. 15 is the most used back cog, with a 14 likely the next most used once you start racing.

    And get a nice 15, that is one you will use for a while, make sure it does not have squared off ends, the pointy end dura ace and others roll smoother.

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