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Old 07-11-14, 01:09 AM   #1126
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Thanks a lot for the advice! I will stop by Universal and pick up an EAI or a DA cog this weekend!
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Old 07-15-14, 09:02 AM   #1127
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Anyone got any ideas about mounting a garmin under the saddle, the commissaires got p***** off when I had it under the stem, even though I couldn't look at it. To make things harder I have an aero seat post so can't use round mounts. Any Ideas or will I just have to bring out the duck tape ?
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I made one of these once: K-Edge Garmin Saddle Mount

Kind of overkill. Otherwise, I've seen people strap them to the underside of their top tubes, their seat tubes and all kinds of goofy places. We've also had a few garmins pop off in races already because they're being mounted in ways they're not designed for. Figures that a UCI/USAC rule to keep us safer is just making things more dangerous....
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Anyone got any ideas about mounting a garmin under the saddle, the commissaires got p***** off when I had it under the stem, even though I couldn't look at it. To make things harder I have an aero seat post so can't use round mounts. Any Ideas or will I just have to bring out the duck tape ?
Zip tie a piece of aluminum bar (steel, plastic, carbon fiber or what ever else is around) between the seat rails on the back then attach the Garmin mount to that with the O-rings or zip ties. It takes about 10 minutes with a hacksaw, file and drill. Width should be about the size of the mount (1 to 1.25") thickness enough to be rigid. Cut the ends on an angle to match the angle of the seat rails and drill holes for the zip ties to go through.
The K-Edge mounts for GoPro cameras can take the mount from some of their handle bar mounts for a nicer solution.
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This subforum does not have a catchall BSing place so I thought I would post this article here.

Just Say No to a Boston Olympics- Idea is preposterous https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...VZM/story.html

My favorite section...

"It’s not as simple as assigning varied competitions to local colleges and arenas. You can’t have the swimming at Harvard just because Harvard happens to have an Olympic-size pool. You have to build a massive aquatic center with diving pools, warm-up pools, spectator stands, and media workplaces. You can’t feature the cycling at the Hampton Beach Casino. You have to build a velodrome. And what are you going to do with this Olympic village, aquatic center, and velodrome when the Olympics are over?"




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The Olympics tends to be a losing proposition for host cities.

Similarly, Brazilian Government Posts Listings for 12 Soccer Stadiums on Craigslist.
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You can’t feature the cycling at the Hampton Beach Casino. You have to build a velodrome. And what are you going to do with this Olympic village, aquatic center, and velodrome when the Olympics are over?"
In '96, they disassembled the velodrome and put it back in the truck. The Stone Mountain velodrome for the 1996 Atlanta Olympics was a temporary facility assembled one year prior for a test event and removed after the para games. I think the racing surface is now the Frisco Superdrome.

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We were actually pretty close to not getting a permanent track for the PanAm games next summer, the original plan was a temp track for 1/10th the cost. The fear was because Montreal had a permanent track for the 76 games which is now I zoo I believe, a perm track would go unused. Thankfully the powers that be say that a permanent track had more to offer long term, and actually was largely paid for with fund raising.

The new soccer stadium is going to be an already needed CFL stadium (or NFL if/when we bring the bills over )


I don't think there is ever not huge opposition to hosting the games.

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In '96, they disassembled the velodrome and put it back in the truck. The Stone Mountain velodrome for the 1996 Atlanta Olympics was a temporary facility assembled one year prior for a test event and removed after the para games. I think the racing surface is now the Frisco Superdrome.
The Atlanta '96 velodrome was an outdoor velodrome just like Frisco.


A New Generation of Velodromes

A modern Olympic facility will likely be indoors like the ones recently built in Scotland, England, Beijing, and India (I can't recall which city).

The best bet would be to make it into a multi-use facility.
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How close to your peak power do you guys find you can push on standing starts? Ive been doing stands about once a week and am pretty consistent with it, but that doesn't mean I am doing them well. A poor golf swing never gets better if you practice it poor. Anyway, out of curiosity, how close does you peak power come to your peak standing power at the start? FWIW Im finding I push around 80%
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It strikes me that it would be difficult to win an Olympic bid without an indoor 250 meter wooden velodrome in the proposal as well as all the other necessary venues. How it is paid for and use after the Olympics is another matter. I found it interesting that the London Velodrome was shut down for 2 years while the entire area was closed due to construction. We were in London last year and wanted to ride on the Velodrome but it was closed.
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London was closed as they were rebuilding the BMX arena as it was apparently the features were too big for the public, additionally they ere building a road circuit down their, I know the road circuit is open and they race and train on it now, it can hold around a national field (140 riders). The velodrome has been open but just not too the general public - all gb athletes were given the chance and some who helped on the build I think. They have had events on it e.g. The Revolution Series. But it is now open to the public, it's costs considerably more than manchester though.
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A while back when this forum was looking at people's positions on their bikes, a comment was made about a rider rolling their wrists in on the bars. It seemed that this was a bad thing. Is it a bad thing? If so, why is it a bad thing?
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How close to your peak power do you guys find you can push on standing starts? Ive been doing stands about once a week and am pretty consistent with it, but that doesn't mean I am doing them well. A poor golf swing never gets better if you practice it poor. Anyway, out of curiosity, how close does you peak power come to your peak standing power at the start? FWIW Im finding I push around 80%
I use a Stages PM and load it on Power Agent. I don't know how often the data updates but I can use that history to compare peak power numbers from other work on my road bike. When I do a standing track start I see the power build quickly with it getting close to peak in about 4" then staying high until I transition into seated, then into aero position. I have been working on the transition phase as my power drops about 10-15%% through that phase, however the cadence continues to build which is a good thing. During starts my 5" PP is 3-6% under what I might be able to do sprinting on my road bike up a short roller while OTS. I don't think so much about the highest wattage achieved but the best 5, 10 and 20" peak power.
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Good to know. I also see a big drop when I go from standing to seated, something I would like to 'smooth' out a little more perhaps. Looking at it closer it looks like its around 7s in that I hit 'peak' power and it holds roughly until I sit down (I may be sitting too early, my cadence standing isn't the best). Then slowly trails off as I get to the end.

Its an interesting thing to analyze anyway, as even with my garmin in front of me I have a hard time looking at it and grasp whats going on during an effort like that haha.


And to just agree, I also think highest peak number (1s) doesn't matter on its own, but ideally the highest number is probably pretty close to 5s anyway. This was more about power at cadence, as people with a road background's legs would not be used to pushing so hard at such a slow pedal speed.
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Good to know. I also see a big drop when I go from standing to seated, something I would like to 'smooth' out a little more perhaps. Looking at it closer it looks like its around 7s in that I hit 'peak' power and it holds roughly until I sit down (I may be sitting too early, my cadence standing isn't the best). Then slowly trails off as I get to the end.

Its an interesting thing to analyze anyway, as even with my garmin in front of me I have a hard time looking at it and grasp whats going on during an effort like that haha.


And to just agree, I also think highest peak number (1s) doesn't matter on its own, but ideally the highest number is probably pretty close to 5s anyway. This was more about power at cadence, as people with a road background's legs would not be used to pushing so hard at such a slow pedal speed.
Here is a screen shot of a 500 TT I did recently that was in the low 39's. The race effort ends at mile 10.25 or so. Keep in mind that I'm 61 yrs old and my watts are not what others here possess. We have a 167 meter track in Cleveland and I have to go seated around 110 meters in order to navigate the banking and transition to aero. I have been working on racing the 500 TT using aero bars, at last summer's Nats most of the guys on the podium did likewise. On our track with 2.5 G's in the turns making absolute speed is a little more difficult than on the longer tracks. At Redmond's 400 meter track turns should feel like a straight to me, at least that's the way Northbrook's felt two weeks ago.

During the 500 there is no looking down at the computer head. In the 2K Pursuit I can look at the head while on the short straights but the data is a few seconds old and making adjustments are always after the fact and could be like chasing one's tail. The data is most beneficial to me after the race/workout while reviewing at home.

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Did my first track class tonight and it was awesome but I noticed my seatpost kept slipping. I did put in a little of carbon paste assembly inside the seat tube but it still slipped. Should I apply more or what should I do?
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Squats on race day

Does it make sense to do squats on race day (today) if I haven't done any in several days? I can imagine it will make me stronger, but I can also imagine it will wear me out. I have no idea. Please advise. Thanks again!
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Does it make sense to do squats on race day (today) if I haven't done any in several days? I can imagine it will make me stronger, but I can also imagine it will wear me out. I have no idea. Please advise. Thanks again!
absolutely no sense whatsoever...unless race day doesn't matter and sticking to a squat regimen with a future goal in mind matters.

workouts don't make you stronger until you recover from them.

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Did my first track class tonight and it was awesome but I noticed my seatpost kept slipping. I did put in a little of carbon paste assembly inside the seat tube but it still slipped. Should I apply more or what should I do?
did you use a torque wrench?
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Mattio, I did use a torque wrench. My next step is to grease the bolts and use more carbon assembly paste. I still need to get a longer stem for my Langster Pro.
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absolutely no sense whatsoever...unless race day doesn't matter and sticking to a squat regimen with a future goal in mind matters.

workouts don't make you stronger until you recover from them.
I'm very grateful for this. It's exactly the type of advice I'm seeking. Wish me luck tonight! This might be the night when I come in not-last for the first time!
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workouts don't make you stronger until you recover from them.


This goes for more than lifting. The act of riding, lifting, working out, making your body hurt, is not what actually makes you stronger (if anything it makes you weaker). Its the trigger I suppose, but not the action. Its the recovery and over compensation that your body is trying to build stronger for next time. Rest, and really sleep, is where you get stronger.

Only thing you need on race day is to warm up. If you can lift and race on the same day, you are not doing them right
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workouts don't make you stronger until you recover from them.
+1

A lot of people don't understand this.

Growth comes when you are resting. There is stimulus then super-compensation comes during rest. No rest, no growth.

Also, this is how some performance enhancing drugs work. They allow for faster recovery. So, instead of being able to squat heavy and properly recover 3x/week, a person using PEDs may be able to squat heavy 5 or more days/week.

Also, overtraining and chronic fatigue generally come from lack of proper recovery. You can actually train yourself into a hole that may take weeks or months to dig your way out of.
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when i was young and dumb i used to go on killer rides a day or two before race day, thinking that if my body was used to THAT then i'd be stronger for the race.

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My next step is to grease the bolts and use more carbon assembly paste.
Do not grease bolts that you are applying a fixed torque to. The grease is a lubricant and the torque created by the bolt friction in the thread will be less for a given clamping force on the seat post. You run the risk of breaking your seat post (I assume it's carbon due to your use of paste) by applying too much clamping force. I learnt this the hard way on my old moto. I had alloy bolts that were only 5Nm and I actually elongated the bolts by using so much force although the torque wrench never reached 5Nm. Turns out a some grease got onto the threads. A similar circumstance on your bike will likely crush the seatpost!
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