I'd even recommend that you avoid lifting or hard training in the two days running up to a race, unless the race is not your main focus/ just another 'hard' training day. I tried to race on a sunday after lifting on the friday - bad idea. I'm sure a lot of folks on this forum can do it, but definitely if you are new to lifting, its going to seriously compromise your legs for the racing
"All this talk of climbing is making me feel kinda queasy..." -- Baby Puke
Just a queery about rules. In the Commonwealth Games points race there was a bit of controversy between the Isle of Man (who won the silver medal with Peter Kennaugh) and New Zealand team who won the gold medal with Tom Scully.
The Isle of Man team eventually had a couple of riders disqualified (i think this was for dropping off the back of the group when Kennaugh attacked then working with him to take a lap - both riders got a warning for this but continued to do it). However rather than alot of this the post-race controversy was about a New Zealand rider blocking an Isle of Man with his arm . The commentators thought it bad thing to do and worthy of disqualification and a couple of days on Kennaugh and his team mates were still moaning about it.
Personally it looked like more of a protest towards the commissaire than a dangerous block but that isnt what my question is about its about riding on the cote d'azur. I was under the impression that undertaking riders on it is not allowed ...yet the commentators didnt pick up on this at all instead focusing on the raised arm. One of the commentators was Rob Hayles so considering his track palmares i assume he knows the rules - yet he didnt mention anything about the undertaking on the cote d'azur at all and it was all about the block. So is it acceptable or not?
1) It is illegal to advance one's position while on the cote d'azure, period. You can ride on it (maybe by getting forced down by riders above you), but you cannot advance your position while down there. You are to return to the track when it is safe to do so.
2) "Willful obstruction of a rider" is an offense.
I guess it's up to the judges to say whether the NZ guy was *willfully* obstructing the IM guy who was illegally passing on the cote d'azure.
Think of it this way, the IM guy could willfully try to illegally pass on the cote d'azure and the NZ guy could see this happening and willfully try to stop him. The NZ guy would immediately be wrong. The IM guy would only be wrong if he completed the pass...I think. They could both be penalized with anything from an official warning, loss of position, loss of points from the sprint, disqualification from the event, expulsion from the event, monetary penalties, and on and on...
NZ is off the hook for anything if he (or video) can prove that he didn't willfully obstruct the IM guy because he did not expect a rider to pass him on the cote d'azure which is a very reasonable point. But if video shows that he saw the guy coming, then...
Regarding riders dropping back from the pack to pull a teammate up: That's clearly collusion. That's a common tactic even in local racing.
Here's how it should be dealt with (from my point of view):
It is up to the faster rider to *not* accept any benefit from the riders that dropped back. He should not enter their slipstream (even for a moment). If he does, he should be penalized. The penalty should be either losing the +20 points for the lap that was gained and/or any points won during the break away.
All teammates are subject to warnings or disqualification for collusion.
In general, a rider taking a lap should not take shelter from any rider not breaking away with him/her until they regain connection with the pack* and are awarded +20 points.
*The pack as defined by the commissar.
Collusion is common...and illegal.
Thanks for the clarification.
On a related point (related to the Commonwealth games at least) is this a new bike ?
Im sure i read somewhere (although i might just have imagined it!) that New Zealand were developing their own kit similar to British Cycling, wonder if this is related to that. Looks different to the Avanti model they were riding in the recent past.
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NZ has been using BTs for a long time. I'd like to see what they come up with. But, being that we are 2 years away from the Olympics, we probably won't see any new cool stuff till then.
Went to track class tonight and just wanted to report back on the seatpost slipping issue on my Langster Pro. I ended up using more carbon assembly paste and there's no more slipping.
On the match sprint: have you seen someone approach it as a 750m timed race? (Full gas all the way from a fast standing start)
Are there any rules against that?
No rules against it but doubt you would get away with it after the first time - great example where it has been done at the highest level successfully.
i love that video clip.
yeah, going long on somebody is usually called "kilo-ing" them (even though it's 750m, not 1000). there's definitely no rule against it - the only pacing rules are that the person who draws starting position #1 must lead the first half a lap at at least a walking pace; and that you can only trackstand 2x, for a max of 30sec each.
note forstemann's strategy - he's held for a few extra seconds so he has more room to accelerate behind Hoy. he passes Hoy with a pretty great speed differential (Forstemann being one of the best starters in the world helps)
and MAN, note Hoy's final, late acceleration. what a beast.
While I understand injuries are very varied and personal, what have been some timelines for recovery from pulled gluteal muscles for you guys? I've tried to do too much while recovering from a slight pull, and I have in turn worsened it. Any tips would also be appreciated.
I remember seeing a picture from a euro six-day, of a mechanic's stand. 14, 15, and 16-tooth cogs each had a tooth painted a certain color, so at a glance it was easy to tell which the 14, 15, and 16 were.
But, i can't find the picture (it was probably on VeloVeritas, but there's a lot to sort through!).
Does anybody know which colors correspond to which size cogs, in the euro mechanic tradition?
You get one of those in your lifetime. Use it wisely. After you do this once, everyone you'll race from then on start looking for it and you'll not get another opportunity again to catch someone with their pants down. Ballsey though, Foerstemann doing this against the former kilo world champion.
Also, the term "kilo-ing" was from when many high level competitions were held on a 333 track.
Cat 2 Track, Cat 3 Road.
"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
I personally like this Euro Asia color code a lot. I will follow this if I ever paint my cogs.
When you purchase the gold medal pro cogs they even come in color coded bags!
This way when I have the complete set of gold medal pro I will already be used to the color code.... yeah right hahaha
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Also, when you use Shimano cogs (especially the smaller ones) the lockring covers up the number. So, it's difficult (but not impossible) to eyeball what cog may be installed on the wheel. With the paint pen, you can see the color outside of the lockring.
Trust me, when you change gears a lot you can make bonehead mistakes...like the time I raced a regional-level sprint tournament on a 45/14 (86.8") instead of the 45/13 (93.5") that I had planned on using. I won the first round easily, but spun out during the second round and I couldn't figure out why till I took the wheel off.