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Old 12-17-13, 03:24 PM   #151
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Everyone I know who has used the Miche cog system was OK with it. They never gushed that everyone in the world should use it. It's an OK system if you have it.
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Made for the fixie crowd. 16-18 tooth only.
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Made for the fixie crowd.
the colors gave it away...
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This is the good stuff: Sugino Gigas (12-16t)

http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/s...16_english.htm

12t is for the big boys.
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Yes, limited sizes for Sugino cogs. Sugino has a better interface, imo.


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Yes, limited sizes for Sugino cogs. Sugino has a better interface, imo.
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Not from an engineering standpoint (the splines are really shallow, especially since they are using aluminum). My only problem with Miche cogs is the tooth profile, particularly the chamfered tips, is not as good as some others such as Shimano or EAI.

The White Industries splined track cog system is intriguing, but I don't think they make a carrier that will interface with a threaded hub.



EDIT: unfortunately, they don't seem to have a 13 tooth cog.
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Not from an engineering standpoint (the splines are really shallow, especially since they are using aluminum). My only problem with Miche cogs is the tooth profile, particularly the chamfered tips, is not as good as some others such as Shimano or EAI.

The White Industries splined track cog system is intriguing, but I don't think they make a carrier that will interface with a threaded hub.



EDIT: unfortunately, they don't seem to have a 13 tooth cog.
There is a 13t cog available, check whiteind.com or wheelbuilder.com. If you need a 12 then you are out of luck and just have to use a 55t chainring. The inner diameter of the splines/bumps on the white ind cogs are too small to use with a threaded carrier. The system is nice with no play. One cog is a bit fussy to get on needing the ring alignment but they all seem to be round. It is nice to only need the lock ring wrench if I can't have a flip flop powertap.
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Thanks for all the input on the Miche cog system. My takeaway is that it is worth investing in at this point and I should put a 14T on my xmas list.

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Thanks for all the input on the Miche cog system. My takeaway is that it is worth investing in at this point and I should put a 14T on my xmas list.

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I wouldn't say that it was worth it. It's an OK system. I'd suggest using standard cogs.
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Not from an engineering standpoint (the splines are really shallow, especially since they are using aluminum).
Which engineer?

Does not seem to be any problem with a similar interface that Specialized and others use.


Miche interface just looks like an updated Benix coaster cog interface, with double the amount of tabs.
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Which engineer?

Does not seem to be any problem with a similar interface that Specialized and others use.
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Miche interface just looks like an updated Benix coaster cog interface, with double the amount of tabs.
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It just looks really insubstantial. Miche is more of a blunt design; made from steel, so all the better. Between the cog being made from aluminum (and pretty thin at that) and the splines being so shallow, I'd be worried about stripping that stuff out. I've never seen this stuff in person, though, so I am just guessing.

But because they aren't offered in less than 16 tooth, it's not really relevant for me.
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I wouldn't say that it was worth it. It's an OK system. I'd suggest using standard cogs.
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There is nothing better and stronger than the standard threaded interface for cogs, IMO.
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There is nothing better and stronger than the standard threaded interface for cogs, IMO.
I've got the Miche system on a Miche Wheelset that gets almost all it's use on the rollers... Obviously the cogs are fine for that.. I also drag those wheels to the track any time I go, in case I get a flat on my training wheels... So I've only actually used the wheels (and the Miche cog) on the track a half dozen times.. Therefore I've only changed the cog about a dozen times...

One thing to think about with this system is that a chain-whip on cog teeth is a far better interface to put force against than the tiny contact points of a lock-ring...

I use the Italian thread Miche Lockring (hub only works with Italian thread lockring) and it is a crap interface, especially if you use a normal lock-ring tool that only engages at one spot..
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I use the Italian thread Miche Lockring (hub only works with Italian thread lockring) and it is a crap interface, especially if you use a normal lock-ring tool that only engages at one spot..
Ugh. Those are the worst - except for the Dura-Ace one, which is okay. I often use the three-pronged side of a Park HCW-5, which has more engagement. Or lockring pliers.
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This is the good stuff: Sugino Gigas (12-16t)

http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/s...16_english.htm

12t is for the big boys.
At just over $100, is there anything that makes these so amazing? You can basically get a full set of 13-16 DA cogs for that price!
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At just over $100, is there anything that makes these so amazing? You can basically get a full set of 13-16 DA cogs for that price!
I don't think they are better than DA. I just cited them because they are on the Race side of the Sugino lineup as opposed to the casual Street side.

I'm not familiar with the differences between the Sugino 75 (race) line and their Sugino Gigas/Grand Might (exclusive race) lines. I've read that the more expensive line involves more hand-crafted attention and more folding of the raw metal or something like that.

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Beautiful polishing, teeth are individually shaped in part by hand finishing, surface hardened. They are absolutely gorgeous and the Gigas chainring is noticeably quieter than a Dura Ace chainring when I swap it out. I got a new 14T Gigas cog on eBay for $30 and it's pretty smooth as well but -- unless you value the weight of alloy over durability -- it's actually just about beat in finish and design by the new Phil Wood cogs.
The Gigas line has a special coating on them as well.

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Don, that coating is the surface hardening. It's an electro-chemical dip followed by a heat treatment. It helps create the very smooth bright finish, but it comes out of the dip discolored so a buffing brings up the pretty cosmetics of the finished product. I don't think it really cuts down on chain wear, but it does resist perspiration oxidation spots a lot better than Dura Ace or Campy. The hand-shaping of the individual teeth actually just takes off the first metal to be worn off by the chain anyway, so it actually does last a good bit longer than other rings at a third the price. I wish they did a steel rear cog, because the alloy one is heat treated but still won't have enough longevity to justify the price. I put the one I got cheap on a Mavic disc and it only gets ridden on those wheels.
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Could someone tell me if these Deda Clip Black aerobars are UCI legal. I had these hanging around in my parts box and I've lent them to a friend's U15 daughter for TT use on the track. One of the guys at the track however thought there may be an issue with them merging into the one bar to connect to the handlebars. I can't seem to find anything in looking through the UCI stuff other than making sure the line of forearms is parallel when using them.
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I have a few EAI polished cogs, they spin like silk.
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How difficult is it to fit a kilo position? I'm getting a bikefit for my track bike, and I was wondering if it'd make a big enough difference to spend €35 for a TT position fit. I was thinking that since I'll only be racing the kilo a few times a year I would just put on an adjustable stem and put it as low as is comfortable and set up my base bars/extensions myself.
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I raced at Garden State for the later half of the 2013 season, looking forward for 2014!
I bought a track bike after two sessions at the track. You could say I was hooked, however less than three weeks after getting my bike, I was nearly hit by a car while riding my track bike on the road. The car clipped my rear wheel and bent the rim. I had a buddy of mine true it to the best he could, but the rim is still bent/out of true.

Any recommendations on a value-priced rear wheel (or set)? I was half toying around with the idea of having a new rear wheel built, something with a fixed-fixed hub. Or are there decent (read:not expensive) prebuilt wheels with fixed fixed hubs on the market. Which leads me to my next question: in buying wheels should you be more concerned with weight or aerodynamics? I'm a 200lb rider and from my understanding the amount of spokes on a wheel have a factor in the strength. Is that correct?
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Any recommendations on a value-priced rear wheel (or set)?
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Thanks Quinn8bit.

I prefer clinchers but thank you for the site! (Quick search shows they have the same wheel in clincher)
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I have 48 and 50t chainrings, 13,14,15,16t cogs, and I want to get 2/3 new chainrings for a better gearing selection, should I get 47+49 or 49+51?
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