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Brian Ratliff 12-05-13 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hida Yanra (Post 16303937)
Folks getting ready for Marymoor -

The track record is 10.55 (Mansker, 2013), he has gone sub 10 repeatedly, so take from that what you will.

Anyone coming to Alpenrose...

Mansker has the record here as well:
Flying 200 m | Kevin Mansker | 11.06 | 2012

Nobody's broken 11 seconds at our track yet, though Mansker's getting close.

Quinn8it 12-05-13 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hida Yanra (Post 16303978)
oh I did - just being overly analytical.
Are you headed up this summer?

At this point I'm on the fence.. Either Elite Nats in Rock Hill, or Masters in Seattle... If they weren't back to back I'd do both- as usual...

Hida Yanra 12-05-13 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff (Post 16303997)
Nobody's broken 11 seconds at our track yet, though Mansker's getting close.

Speaking of which, anyone know why Baranowski doesn't race more of the NTC series?

loverrellik 12-05-13 02:07 PM

I'll post mine to set the bar low ;). Didn't make a race this season, but hopefully next season.

Current PR from a timed clinic: 13.7 puts me at a goal of a whopping 13.15

*distant golf claps*

Impreza_aL 12-05-13 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinn8it (Post 16303630)
if I stalked you correctly- based on the name on your Anchor.. you need 11.67" to win..

ok that sounds more doable without track/gym work.

i believe mansker and watkins hold the hellyer record for the 200 at 10.3-6 can't quite remember the actual time.

carleton 12-05-13 02:19 PM

Great. Now I'm on the hook for an 11.5 at sea level and an 11.2 at altitude.

Sell your Nabisco stock now because Oreo sales will take a dive!

Quinn8it 12-05-13 02:59 PM

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[TD]Queerpunk[/TD]
[TD]12.13"[/TD]
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[TD]Hida Yanra[/TD]
[TD]pending[/TD]
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[TD]13.15"[/TD]
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[TD]11.50"[/TD]
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[TD]11.20"[/TD]
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ok- here is the first 10 that are in..
i had to make a few guesses at times- so if yours is wrong, let me know and i will fix it.. Queerpunk i split the difference.. but its up to you

queerpunk 12-05-13 03:06 PM

actually i did some searching through my gmail inbox and my PR is 12.5, so let's put my goal at 12.13.

Quinn8it 12-05-13 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carleton (Post 16304185)
Great. Now I'm on the hook for an 11.5 at sea level and an 11.2 at altitude.

I think this is the right way to handle altitude/Sea level.. best to compare apples to apples.. as for perfect days on fast tracks.. im inclined to allow those..

Quote:

Originally Posted by carleton (Post 16304185)
Sell your Nabisco stock now because Oreo sales will take a dive!

Carleton- Cheat Days are for "Trader Joe's Vanilla Joe-Joe's"!!!

carleton 12-05-13 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinn8it (Post 16304353)
Carleton- Cheat Days are for "Trader Joe's Vanilla Joe-Joe's"!!!

Hahaha!

Brian Ratliff 12-05-13 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinn8it (Post 16304317)
ok- here is the first 10 that are in..
i had to make a few guesses at times- so if yours is wrong, let me know and i will fix it.. Queerpunk i split the difference.. but its up to you

Any thoughts on doing this as a function of percentage over the track record? Someone with Alpenrose as their home track should be spotted an extra second ;).

Quinn8it 12-05-13 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff (Post 16304417)
Any thoughts on doing this as a function of percentage over the track record? Someone with Alpenrose as their home track should be spotted an extra second ;).

I might consider it if I hadn't gotten my ass kicked at Nats, by a guy in one of those checkerboard kits they wear up there...
Think of it this way- you have a bigger advantage if you travel to almost any track... My PR was ridden on wood, indoors, with front and rear Disc Wheels! I'm screwed!

Baby Puke 12-05-13 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Impreza_aL (Post 16303575)
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3806/9...140a4938_z.jpg

granted this was a very good day for a flying 200. hot and no wind everyone achieved a PR.

but i'll be shooting for 11.2 without any gym work.

(i only race mass starts)

http://replygif.net/i/980.gif

Was this the day only Hellyer riders were allowed on Alperose? What is this?

Baby Puke 12-05-13 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hida Yanra (Post 16303873)
this is false. Our track is.... odd. 400m works out to about 27d banks (if memory serves), so doing a 200 involves coming out of T2 hard, usually trying to hit tangent at T3, then hold black all the way in.

27˚ on a 400 beats 23˚ on a 333 at Hellyer! The 400's in Jpn are around 31˚ which is perfect for that length.

carleton 12-05-13 04:56 PM

I made this a sticky.

Quinn8it 12-05-13 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Puke (Post 16304556)
27˚ on a 400 beats 23˚ on a 333 at Hellyer! The 400's in Jpn are around 31˚ which is perfect for that length.

Learning to ride low bank tracks builds good skills. I've watched plenty of guys float up to the red in turn 3/4 on moderate banked tracks..my time riding Encino has taught me to stay low- no matter what!

Jaytron 12-05-13 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Impreza_aL (Post 16304174)
ok that sounds more doable without track/gym work.

i believe mansker and watkins hold the hellyer record for the 200 at 10.3-6 can't quite remember the actual time.

10.7

JMR 12-05-13 06:57 PM

Current PR: 11.41
Goal: 11:2

Outdoor Concrete 333m.

That's actually pretty close to what time I am aiming for...

:)

JMR

Quinn8it 12-05-13 07:13 PM

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JMR added

Baby Puke 12-05-13 07:38 PM

Agree that low banked tracks improves your skill. On a track with ideal banking the bike dos what you want, on inadequate banking, it doesn't. Nice banking, though, is more fun...

Velocirapture 12-06-13 05:08 AM

right now my current pb is so bad, that i'm caught between the embarrassment of actually publicizing it, and the possibility that because its so bad, and was set before I started training far more seriously I might have a shot at a reasonable improvement :o:o:o

Baby Puke 12-06-13 10:35 AM

Back to the 333 200 line for a minute:

When looking at 200 splits, on a 400 or 250 my 1st 100 is consistently a tiny bit quicker than the 2nd 100, which is how I'm told it should look. However, on my local 333, it flips around, prompting me to think the 1st 100 is too slow. This is what got me thinking about playing with the line. Anybody else experience something like this?

It seems to me logical that starting the drop at the mid-point of T1-T2 (instead of the traditional drop point, a beat past the exit of T2) would do two beneficial things: One, it gives you the acceleration of the drop beginning, what 30-40m? before the 200 start line instead of 5-10 m. That would seem to be a good thing. Two, it gets you in the lane quicker and this shortens the true distance you ride for '200' meters.

Thoughts? I'd love to hear from people who've experimented with this.

Baby Puke 12-06-13 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velocirapture (Post 16305910)
right now my current pb is so bad, that i'm caught between the embarrassment of actually publicizing it, and the possibility that because its so bad, and was set before I started training far more seriously I might have a shot at a reasonable improvement :o:o:o

I think all of us have been here. There was a period when I could not get under 13 seconds that lasted waaaaaaaayy longer than I was comfortable with! No shame, I'd encourage you to post.

carleton 12-06-13 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Puke (Post 16306567)
Back to the 333 200 line for a minute:

When looking at 200 splits, on a 400 or 250 my 1st 100 is consistently a tiny bit quicker than the 2nd 100, which is how I'm told it should look. However, on my local 333, it flips around, prompting me to think the 1st 100 is too slow. This is what got me thinking about playing with the line. Anybody else experience something like this?

It seems to me logical that starting the drop at the mid-point of T1-T2 (instead of the traditional drop point, a beat past the exit of T2) would do two beneficial things: One, it gives you the acceleration of the drop beginning, what 30-40m? before the 200 start line instead of 5-10 m. That would seem to be a good thing. Two, it gets you in the lane quicker and this shortens the true distance you ride for '200' meters.

Thoughts? I'd love to hear from people who've experimented with this.

I agree that it's probably your line. But, it's kinda hard without video.

Kayce 12-06-13 12:17 PM

As you can tell by my numbers I am VERY MUCH not a sprinter, and also on the worst track in the country. PB 14.9 Goal Time: 14.17


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