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Old 12-05-13, 01:25 PM   #26
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Folks getting ready for Marymoor -

The track record is 10.55 (Mansker, 2013), he has gone sub 10 repeatedly, so take from that what you will.
Anyone coming to Alpenrose...

Mansker has the record here as well:
Flying 200 m | Kevin Mansker | 11.06 | 2012

Nobody's broken 11 seconds at our track yet, though Mansker's getting close.
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Old 12-05-13, 01:26 PM   #27
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oh I did - just being overly analytical.
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At this point I'm on the fence.. Either Elite Nats in Rock Hill, or Masters in Seattle... If they weren't back to back I'd do both- as usual...
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Old 12-05-13, 01:31 PM   #28
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Nobody's broken 11 seconds at our track yet, though Mansker's getting close.
Speaking of which, anyone know why Baranowski doesn't race more of the NTC series?
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Old 12-05-13, 02:07 PM   #29
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I'll post mine to set the bar low . Didn't make a race this season, but hopefully next season.

Current PR from a timed clinic: 13.7 puts me at a goal of a whopping 13.15

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Old 12-05-13, 02:14 PM   #30
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if I stalked you correctly- based on the name on your Anchor.. you need 11.67" to win..
ok that sounds more doable without track/gym work.

i believe mansker and watkins hold the hellyer record for the 200 at 10.3-6 can't quite remember the actual time.
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Old 12-05-13, 02:19 PM   #31
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Great. Now I'm on the hook for an 11.5 at sea level and an 11.2 at altitude.

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[TD]11.40"[/TD]
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[TD]Jaytron[/TD]
[TD]11.56"[/TD]
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[TD]10.95"[/TD]
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[TD]Brian Ratliff[/TD]
[TD]11.99"[/TD]
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[TD]12.95"[/TD]
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[TD]12.13"[/TD]
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[TD]Hida Yanra[/TD]
[TD]pending[/TD]
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[TD]13.15"[/TD]
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[TD]Carleton[/TD]
[TD]11.50"[/TD]
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[TD]JMR[/TD]
[TD]11.20"[/TD]
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ok- here is the first 10 that are in..
i had to make a few guesses at times- so if yours is wrong, let me know and i will fix it.. Queerpunk i split the difference.. but its up to you

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actually i did some searching through my gmail inbox and my PR is 12.5, so let's put my goal at 12.13.
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Great. Now I'm on the hook for an 11.5 at sea level and an 11.2 at altitude.
I think this is the right way to handle altitude/Sea level.. best to compare apples to apples.. as for perfect days on fast tracks.. im inclined to allow those..

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Carleton- Cheat Days are for "Trader Joe's Vanilla Joe-Joe's"!!!
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Carleton- Cheat Days are for "Trader Joe's Vanilla Joe-Joe's"!!!
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Old 12-05-13, 03:27 PM   #36
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ok- here is the first 10 that are in..
i had to make a few guesses at times- so if yours is wrong, let me know and i will fix it.. Queerpunk i split the difference.. but its up to you
Any thoughts on doing this as a function of percentage over the track record? Someone with Alpenrose as their home track should be spotted an extra second .
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Old 12-05-13, 03:39 PM   #37
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Any thoughts on doing this as a function of percentage over the track record? Someone with Alpenrose as their home track should be spotted an extra second .
I might consider it if I hadn't gotten my ass kicked at Nats, by a guy in one of those checkerboard kits they wear up there...
Think of it this way- you have a bigger advantage if you travel to almost any track... My PR was ridden on wood, indoors, with front and rear Disc Wheels! I'm screwed!
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Old 12-05-13, 04:14 PM   #38
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granted this was a very good day for a flying 200. hot and no wind everyone achieved a PR.

but i'll be shooting for 11.2 without any gym work.

(i only race mass starts)

Was this the day only Hellyer riders were allowed on Alperose? What is this?
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Old 12-05-13, 04:18 PM   #39
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this is false. Our track is.... odd. 400m works out to about 27d banks (if memory serves), so doing a 200 involves coming out of T2 hard, usually trying to hit tangent at T3, then hold black all the way in.
27˚ on a 400 beats 23˚ on a 333 at Hellyer! The 400's in Jpn are around 31˚ which is perfect for that length.
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I made this a sticky.
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27˚ on a 400 beats 23˚ on a 333 at Hellyer! The 400's in Jpn are around 31˚ which is perfect for that length.
Learning to ride low bank tracks builds good skills. I've watched plenty of guys float up to the red in turn 3/4 on moderate banked tracks..my time riding Encino has taught me to stay low- no matter what!
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ok that sounds more doable without track/gym work.

i believe mansker and watkins hold the hellyer record for the 200 at 10.3-6 can't quite remember the actual time.
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Old 12-05-13, 06:57 PM   #43
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That's actually pretty close to what time I am aiming for...



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Old 12-05-13, 07:13 PM   #44
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[TD]11.40"[/TD]
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[TD]12.95"[/TD]
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[TD]Queerpunk[/TD]
[TD]12.13"[/TD]
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[TD]Hida Yanra[/TD]
[TD]pending[/TD]
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[TD]Loverrellik[/TD]
[TD]13.15"[/TD]
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Agree that low banked tracks improves your skill. On a track with ideal banking the bike dos what you want, on inadequate banking, it doesn't. Nice banking, though, is more fun...
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right now my current pb is so bad, that i'm caught between the embarrassment of actually publicizing it, and the possibility that because its so bad, and was set before I started training far more seriously I might have a shot at a reasonable improvement
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Back to the 333 200 line for a minute:

When looking at 200 splits, on a 400 or 250 my 1st 100 is consistently a tiny bit quicker than the 2nd 100, which is how I'm told it should look. However, on my local 333, it flips around, prompting me to think the 1st 100 is too slow. This is what got me thinking about playing with the line. Anybody else experience something like this?

It seems to me logical that starting the drop at the mid-point of T1-T2 (instead of the traditional drop point, a beat past the exit of T2) would do two beneficial things: One, it gives you the acceleration of the drop beginning, what 30-40m? before the 200 start line instead of 5-10 m. That would seem to be a good thing. Two, it gets you in the lane quicker and this shortens the true distance you ride for '200' meters.

Thoughts? I'd love to hear from people who've experimented with this.
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right now my current pb is so bad, that i'm caught between the embarrassment of actually publicizing it, and the possibility that because its so bad, and was set before I started training far more seriously I might have a shot at a reasonable improvement
I think all of us have been here. There was a period when I could not get under 13 seconds that lasted waaaaaaaayy longer than I was comfortable with! No shame, I'd encourage you to post.
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Back to the 333 200 line for a minute:

When looking at 200 splits, on a 400 or 250 my 1st 100 is consistently a tiny bit quicker than the 2nd 100, which is how I'm told it should look. However, on my local 333, it flips around, prompting me to think the 1st 100 is too slow. This is what got me thinking about playing with the line. Anybody else experience something like this?

It seems to me logical that starting the drop at the mid-point of T1-T2 (instead of the traditional drop point, a beat past the exit of T2) would do two beneficial things: One, it gives you the acceleration of the drop beginning, what 30-40m? before the 200 start line instead of 5-10 m. That would seem to be a good thing. Two, it gets you in the lane quicker and this shortens the true distance you ride for '200' meters.

Thoughts? I'd love to hear from people who've experimented with this.
I agree that it's probably your line. But, it's kinda hard without video.
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As you can tell by my numbers I am VERY MUCH not a sprinter, and also on the worst track in the country. PB 14.9 Goal Time: 14.17
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