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Quinn8it 12-04-13 11:56 PM

2014 Flying 200m Challenge
 
so its early December and most of us have finished racing 2013 and we are making plans for a faster new year!

I thought i would present a challenge to you guys, to get you pumped and training for next year!

The "2014 Flying 200m Challenge" is a simple handicapped contest that will allow us to compete against each other- by fighting for our own new personal best time

The link below has a calculator to give you your Goal Time for this Challenge. Simply type your current PR Flying 200m time in the yellow box and it calculates your goal time for this contest. First rider to hit their goal time in 2014 is the winner!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...qOW5GYlE#gid=0

So if you are in- reply with your current PR and your calculator generated Goal for 2014..

To win, your results must be available in a link-able Race Result... or at least a picture you took of the results at a race... so no self timed results from training sessions..

while we're at it- keep the 200m Training and Tactics talk flowing! keep us posted with your success, your failures, and whats working in training..

Baby Puke 12-05-13 12:39 AM

Oh man. My 11.65 PR meant an 11.4 goal time. Quinn, what have you done!

Jaytron 12-05-13 01:12 AM

11.83 means 11.56 goal.

Aww yisss. I have high hopes.

So far the only timed F200M I've done since then is during the off season... in a warm up gear (81gi) and at the end of a flying lap.. Result was much slower, but my leg speed already seems to be much faster than last season. Yay for having a real training plan.

Quinn8it 12-05-13 01:13 AM

HAHA!

yeh.. my 11.12"PR from last month has me shooting for a 10.95" goal time..

i think ill need all year to try to pull that off!

Jaytron 12-05-13 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinn8it (Post 16302518)
HAHA!

yeh.. my 11.12"PR from last month has me shooting for a 10.95" goal time..

i think ill need all year to try to pull that off!

YOU GOT THIS.

Also I think I could cheat, because my PR was done in an outdoor 333m. If I went indoor or did it at altitude, I think I could shave some time off of that? Not quite sure how that works.

Quinn, how did you arrive at the formula to calculate this?

Quinn8it 12-05-13 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaytron (Post 16302519)
YOU GOT THIS.

Also I think I could cheat, because my PR was done in an outdoor 333m. If I went indoor or did it at altitude, I think I could shave some time off of that? Not quite sure how that works.

Quinn, how did you arrive at the formula to calculate this?

you never know- i think ADT rides slower than you think.. at Nats in Indy i was riding about the same times as adt. Now Manchester- i hear that's a fast one!!

the formula was just a random formula that yielded a relevant result... it seamed to work well across fast times and slower times..

Baby Puke 12-05-13 09:24 AM

My best time is on an outdoor 400. Altitude will make you faster, though.

Quinn8it 12-05-13 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Puke (Post 16303066)
My best time is on an outdoor 400.

awesome! maybe we will all PR in Seattle this summer!!:lol:

my 200 in the sprints at Indy was my first and only 200 on a 333… i got a couple practice wind-ups on the morning of- nothing longer than about 100m/at 80%.. i rode the whole thing based on directions from my coach over the phone..

went pretty well- other than getting low in 3/4 and smacking a sponge! then shooting up to the blue(as i mentally prepared to meet the pavement with my face) before realizing that i needed to GO! still qualified 2nd

Baby Puke 12-05-13 10:56 AM

200 on a 333 is weird. With the conventional line you only get assitance from the banking for 5-10 meters max before the 200 start line, so it seems obvious you won't be near your peak speed there. Very different from a 250 or 400 where you get basically a full drop from the rail accellerating before you hit the start line. I still haven't figured out how to do a good 200 at Hellyer, and I'm thinking about playing with the line a bit, e.g., starting the drop earlier than most people do to take advantage of the banking.

Quinn8it 12-05-13 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Puke (Post 16303375)
200 on a 333 is weird. With the conventional line you only get assitance from the banking for 5-10 meters max before the 200 start line, so it seems obvious you won't be near your peak speed there. Very different from a 250 or 400 where you get basically a full drop from the rail accellerating before you hit the start line. I still haven't figured out how to do a good 200 at Hellyer, and I'm thinking about playing with the line a bit, e.g., starting the drop earlier than most people do to take advantage of the banking.

that line was being discussed at Indy. When you stand at the rail and check it- it appears to make sense. You would be taking advantage of the steepest part of the track. In the end i heard from Roger Young (who ran that track for years) that was not the line- as well as what i was hearing from my coach.. not to say its not worth trying- i just wasn't willing to risk it on my only shot!

one technique i tried for the first time at indy- but have since adopted at ADT (for the first time in my PR last month) is to stand when you enter turn-3 on your wind-up. this helps you keep speed as you roll over the steep transition. You stay standing- but ride through 3/4 and jump at your normal pace/time.. Ive heard Lakatosh refer to it as "pulling the spring back".. something about creating tension to release at the jump..

Brian Ratliff 12-05-13 11:40 AM

Looks like I'm shooting for sub 12 on our very slow, weirdly shaped track. It's a good goal.

Impreza_aL 12-05-13 11:51 AM

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3806/9...140a4938_z.jpg

granted this was a very good day for a flying 200. hot and no wind everyone achieved a PR.

but i'll be shooting for 11.2 without any gym work.

(i only race mass starts)

http://replygif.net/i/980.gif

sisomphonE 12-05-13 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Impreza_aL (Post 16303575)
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3806/9...140a4938_z.jpg

granted this was a very good day for a flying 200. hot and no wind everyone achieved a PR.

but i'll be shooting for 11.2 without any gym work.
http://replygif.net/i/980.gif

(i race mass starts)

I ran that 13.4... I don't know what I'm doing.

Quinn8it 12-05-13 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Impreza_aL (Post 16303575)
but i'll be shooting for 11.2 without any gym work.

if I stalked you correctly- based on the name on your Anchor.. you need 11.67" to win..

queerpunk 12-05-13 12:07 PM

Hmm. If only I could remember my PR. I think it's 12.05? Or was it 12.5? I should remember this. Well, the calculator is asking me to either get to 11.74 or 12.13. Maybe if I do more than one flying 200 a year it'll improve! Especially (hopefully) given the weight work I'm doing in my spider-filled basement.

Quinn8it 12-05-13 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by queerpunk (Post 16303654)
given the weight work I'm doing in my spider-filled basement.

we'll need a "Pain Cave" thread too!!

queerpunk 12-05-13 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinn8it (Post 16303690)
we'll need a "Pain Cave" thread too!!

I sucked most of the spiders up with a shop-vac. And then I realized that if I flip the switch to blower mode, well, I basically have a nightmare-fodder spidercannon.

I think I work out in a Tim Burton film.

Hida Yanra 12-05-13 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinn8it (Post 16303271)
awesome! maybe we will all PR in Seattle this summer!!:lol:

this is false. Our track is.... odd. 400m works out to about 27d banks (if memory serves), so doing a 200 involves coming out of T2 hard, usually trying to hit tangent at T3, then hold black all the way in.

The track doesn't try to throw you up at all.... super-odd compared to "legit" steep tracks.
So, if you've got flat land speed, who knows? Generally though, don't expect much for time at Marymoor.

Also, there should be some gathering when folks come this way for the Marymoor GP / Nationals.


As for my 200 time, I've never done one - but I guess I may as well?
Maybe this Friday night.

Jaytron 12-05-13 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sisomphonE (Post 16303604)
I ran that 13.4... I don't know what I'm doing.

Yeah... they put your time by my name. GG

Hida Yanra 12-05-13 01:14 PM

Folks getting ready for Marymoor -

The track record is 10.55 (Mansker, 2013), he has gone sub 10 repeatedly, so take from that what you will.

Brian Ratliff 12-05-13 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Impreza_aL (Post 16303575)
[IMG]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3806/9762564033_48140a4938_z.jpg[/I MG]

granted this was a very good day for a flying 200. hot and no wind everyone achieved a PR.

but i'll be shooting for 11.2 without any gym work.

(i only race mass starts)

[IMG]http://replygif.net/i/980.gif[/IM G]

What year was that? Those are really fast times and I'm not familiar with anyone's name on that list.

Jaytron 12-05-13 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff (Post 16303960)
What year was that? Those are really fast times and I'm not familiar with anyone's name on that list.

2013

My actual time was a 11.83, but it was a super hot day and the air was calm.

Not sure why it says Alpenrose velodrome challenge? Hahaha this was at States (Hellyer)

Quinn8it 12-05-13 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hida Yanra (Post 16303873)
this is false. Our track is.... odd. / Generally though, don't expect much for time at Marymoor.

Ummm.. I'm thinking you didn't pick up on the massive amount of intended sarcasm in my comment ;)

Hida Yanra 12-05-13 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinn8it (Post 16303970)
Ummm.. I'm thinking you didn't pick up on massive amount of intended sarcasm in my comment ;)

oh I did - just being overly analytical.
Are you headed up this summer?

Brian Ratliff 12-05-13 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaytron (Post 16303968)
2013

My actual time was a 11.83, but it was a super hot day and the air was calm.

Not sure why it says Alpenrose velodrome challenge? Hahaha this was at States (Hellyer)

I was going to say... I raced AVC this year... Why wasn't my name there!


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