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Old 02-26-14, 06:47 PM   #76
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I stopped the hijack and I moved the general bike fit questions into a new thread: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ting-Questions

Sorry, OP.
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Old 02-26-14, 07:58 PM   #77
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I hope you don't mind me posting this. I followed the link in your signature.

This is nowhere near being a legal setup.



Using a 77deg seat tube, a zero offset seatpost, and that saddle all the way forward in the rails... You should ask for your money back for that fit. Or at least ask for a legal setup for free.
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Old 02-26-14, 08:03 PM   #78
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Carleton, I didn't get charge for the fitting session. I will be adjusting a few things tonight, thanks for all the help and suggestions!
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Old 02-26-14, 09:06 PM   #80
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The price was right!
Haha well I'll be racing under the lbs name with thier race kit plus I'm proud to be supporting local business. Like I said before, my fitter was a triathlete and do understand why we set me up this way but I'll change a few things up just so I can say I have a legal bike lol.
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Old 02-26-14, 10:05 PM   #81
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Your bike looks cool. Very clean.
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Old 02-27-14, 12:22 AM   #82
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Your bike looks cool. Very clean.
Thanks, so I set my saddle setback to where it would be consider legal and also raised my saddle about 2mm. For some reason I can't embedd the video using my phone but here's the link.
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I forgot to mention that I did swap the 8* stem to a 17* stem but the same length.
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Old 02-27-14, 12:37 AM   #83
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That looks a lot better to me.

Might be able to shorten the stem... But a big improvement
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Old 02-27-14, 12:44 AM   #84
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Thanks Quinn, definitely feels like I can put more power down but can't seem to spin as good as I would like. Not sure if that makes any sense lol but I guess I have to give it some time to adapt to it.
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I agree. Much better.

Maybe adjust that saddle to level so you won't slide of the front of it as you pedal.

But, overall, that is much improved. You look more balanced on the bike and it will be easier to handle, especially on a banked track.
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I agree. Much better.

Maybe adjust that saddle to level so you won't slide of the front of it as you pedal.

But, overall, that is much improved. You look more balanced on the bike and it will be easier to handle, especially on a banked track.
Thanks Carleton you and everyone been helpful so far, only if I could buy you all lunch lol. Its the angle of the picture that makes the saddle look like that but I did follow the ISM saddle angle installation and iirc my saddle is about 2* angle down. I'll give it some more time on the rollers and adjust accordingly.
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That looks 100% better, I'd leave it there and see how you go on the road. Stem slightly shorter, slightly lower might be tweaks for the future. Agree with Carleton on the saddle, you should level it. If you ever get to a UCI race like nats saddle tilt is another little thing they look for.

Chain looks too tight, though.
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That looks 100% better, I'd leave it there and see how you go on the road. Stem slightly shorter, slightly lower might be tweaks for the future. Agree with Carleton on the saddle, you should level it. If you ever get to a UCI race like nats saddle tilt is another little thing they look for.

Chain looks too tight, though.
Thanks, I'll level the saddle and adjust the chain tension later.
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Thanks, so I set my saddle setback to where it would be consider legal and also raised my saddle about 2mm. For some reason I can't embedd the video using my phone but here's the link.
http://s628.photobucket.com/user/sbs...zebnh.mp4.html

I forgot to mention that I did swap the 8* stem to a 17* stem but the same length.
I'm curious as to why you raised your saddle by 2mm? Pushing it further back as you have done will make your reach to the pedals longer anyway, so you've effectively raised it twice.

If you look at your own video, you will even see how your hips are now rocking side to side: saddle definitely too high. That could easily be what is giving you problems with your spin, in this set up.

Aside from that, you are looking for injuries, and usually a reduction in power by being too high. Your feeling of more power is probably because you can put more power through the ~2 oclock - 4 o'clock crank positions with the more rearward position with you're quads.

The forward position would have rotated that peak power crank position.
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I'm curious as to why you raised your saddle by 2mm? Pushing it further back as you have done will make your reach to the pedals longer anyway, so you've effectively raised it twice.

If you look at your own video, you will even see how your hips are now rocking side to side: saddle definitely too high. That could easily be what is giving you problems with your spin, in this set up.

Aside from that, you are looking for injuries, and usually a reduction in power by being too high. Your feeling of more power is probably because you can put more power through the ~2 oclock - 4 o'clock crank positions with the more rearward position with you're quads.

The forward position would have rotated that peak power crank position.
Velo, I think thats probably what's going on. I'll lower the saddle down and see what happens, thanks for the advices and good eyes!

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Yeah, good eye, Velorapture, the saddle does look too high.
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Rocking on the rollers! A couple hints for getting started. Place a jar or flower vase about ten feet in front of the rollers, and try to aim for it with the front wheel. The jar gives a visual place to "steer" toward. Actually no steering takes place with the upper body. Its the gyroscopic effect of the wheels that keeps you stable, so start in a medium to large gear and get those wheels spinning fast. Upper body, arms and hands should stay relaxed, loose. No death grips on the bars, ever! If you've got two friends who can steady your bike by holding tight to the seat post, you'll find rollers easier to learn. Learned this from Larry Black, College Park Bicycles, MD. You should see Larry or Bobby Phillips ride rollers: they can ride one legged, remove a pair of cycling tights!

Why rollers, some of you wonder. It's one fast way to smooth your pedal stroke. Rollers will buck you off if you pedal like a runner --down stroke only. Rollers exaggerate your every twitch and move on the bike, so they smooth you way out and make you much safer and better company in pack riding! Rollers are all about finesse, something 99% of cyclists utterly lack. They get you to ride predictably, safely and smoothly with others, who ride this way! Rollers will improve your bike handling in all situations; they will teach your body the laws of physics and motion. Once you have a "feel" for these in your bones, you won't have to think, duh, i need to make an emergency maneuver: how do i do it. Your body will react before you can analyze the situation!

Personally, I ride rollers every spring for the NCAA basketball championships. TV goes about six feet in front of the rollers, and is tilted up to my line of sight. Off we go. Two hours--perfect junk miles--the length of a BB game! Hope this helps and bless every cyclist who becomes good on the rollers. It will change the way you ride and the whether or not you trust other riders who don't. The perfect tool to get you smooth!
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