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    What is it with trackies and smokers. I recently got a Traeger smoker.
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    racing wednesday nights is my training?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaytron View Post
    Finally ****ing broke 200rpm on the rollers. I can hit 220+ on the road, so it's mainly a confidence thing I think. Hit 203 and 208 during some 10s sprints today. About effing time.
    Nice!!


    in my dreams i hit 200 - my max (on rollers and light gear...) is just under 180. Clearly this is why i'm not a sprinter.

    nice going Jaytron. i'm envious. you've got a heck of a lot of natural talent - looking forward to watching the ongoing development of that
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    Vance, How long do you cook your ribs? (I know, off topic, but crucial questions!) I tried some in my new PBC this weekend and they feel off the hook. Could it be that the wattage supplied by the combustion in the bottom bracket was too much for the interaction between the frame hook and the meat? (Notice the sly the sprinting analogy hidden in that sentence).

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    Oof. Did threshold intervals last Sunday. Did a ripping fast crit that included some traveling pros on Tuesday. Did season's first track races on Thursday. Raced a circuit race and time trial on Saturday. Raced a crit on Monday.

    I'm ****ing exhausted.

    But I'm feeling fast and strong.
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    Upper body and core strength workout last night. Strength training plus grilling =
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocirapture View Post
    Nice!!


    in my dreams i hit 200 - my max (on rollers and light gear...) is just under 180. Clearly this is why i'm not a sprinter.

    nice going Jaytron. i'm envious. you've got a heck of a lot of natural talent - looking forward to watching the ongoing development of that
    Thanks! I think my high cadence came from riding small gears on the road as a "fixie kid," definitely trainable. I'm also really interested in how far I can go with this. Although, getting cat 2 via mass start so I can try to go to nationals to sprint is a tall order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaytron View Post
    Thanks! I think my high cadence came from riding small gears on the road as a "fixie kid," definitely trainable. I'm also really interested in how far I can go with this. Although, getting cat 2 via mass start so I can try to go to nationals to sprint is a tall order.
    Despite Povey's rant on your FB thread about this (and he's not wrong), it is not a tall order. Based on the omniums I've seen at all four California tracks, someone with your speed could reach cat 3 VERY easily. From there, getting points toward cat 2 can be difficult, mainly because the fields are almost always combined 1/2/3. However, it does seem like USAC shows some flexibility here. They DO understand that track events are less frequent, and they DO understand some of the unique challenges. That is to say, if you were a cat 3 who had done a handful of 1/2/3 omniums (and esp if you had gotten a few omnium points here and there, and maybe even fared well compared to any other cat 3s in the field), AND managed to place in the few sprint tournaments/keirins that are held... well, I think they would give you fair consideration. This year probably too late, but easily attainable for nats next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    Despite Povey's rant on your FB thread about this (and he's not wrong), it is not a tall order. Based on the omniums I've seen at all four California tracks, someone with your speed could reach cat 3 VERY easily. From there, getting points toward cat 2 can be difficult, mainly because the fields are almost always combined 1/2/3. However, it does seem like USAC shows some flexibility here. They DO understand that track events are less frequent, and they DO understand some of the unique challenges. That is to say, if you were a cat 3 who had done a handful of 1/2/3 omniums (and esp if you had gotten a few omnium points here and there, and maybe even fared well compared to any other cat 3s in the field), AND managed to place in the few sprint tournaments/keirins that are held... well, I think they would give you fair consideration. This year probably too late, but easily attainable for nats next year.
    I'm not OVERLY concerned about it. The longer it takes me to get to nationals, the faster I'll be when I do go. Or at least, that's the plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaytron View Post
    Thanks! I think my high cadence came from riding small gears on the road as a "fixie kid," definitely trainable. I'm also really interested in how far I can go with this. Although, getting cat 2 via mass start so I can try to go to nationals to sprint is a tall order.
    your sponsor got his 2 so it's possible (even though his points don't tally up...)

    http://www.usacycling.org/results/?compid=104797

    my fat butt was able to get a 3 upgrade in a 3/4 field... so you can do it too. you have a much bigger sprint than i do.

    getting my 2 might take a while but i'm not in a rush. track racing is just for funsies so i can eat a burrito after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Impreza_aL View Post
    your sponsor got his 2 so it's possible (even though his points don't tally up...)

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    my fat butt was able to get a 3 upgrade in a 3/4 field... so you can do it too. you have a much bigger sprint than i do.

    getting my 2 might take a while but i'm not in a rush. track racing is just for funsies so i can eat a burrito after.
    You know me, I'm all about post-race burritos.

    I also appreciate the race-night advice. I'm sure I could win some of these scratch races if I raced them smarter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaytron View Post
    You know me, I'm all about post-race burritos.

    I also appreciate the race-night advice. I'm sure I could win some of these scratch races if I raced them smarter.
    hah no worries. just remember to not get caught behind a bad wheel. don't be scared to use some energy to get to a better position. when that bell rings, unleash the kraken!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impreza_aL View Post
    don't be scared to use some energy to get to a better position. when that bell rings, unleash the kraken!
    Yeah, that. The cat 4s omniums down here this year have been pretty timid... the enduros are SO afraid of "doing too much work" that they just sit in, while the sprinter types chuckle to themselves "they are really going to just hand this to us?" Absolute fish in a barrel for someone like Jaytron. The 1/2/3 are pretty much the exact opposite story... but even there, at least one race in the omnium (sometimes two) will be suitable for the sprinters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby Puke View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    Yeah, that. The cat 4s omniums down here this year have been pretty timid... the enduros are SO afraid of "doing too much work" that they just sit in, while the sprinter types chuckle to themselves "they are really going to just hand this to us?" Absolute fish in a barrel for someone like Jaytron. The 1/2/3 are pretty much the exact opposite story... but even there, at least one race in the omnium (sometimes two) will be suitable for the sprinters.
    are they really enduros if they're cat 4s? they might just be cat 4s.

    Quote Originally Posted by Impreza_aL View Post
    hah no worries. just remember to not get caught behind a bad wheel. don't be scared to use some energy to get to a better position. when that bell rings, unleash the kraken!
    hmmm, my cat 2 sorta-sprinter teammate wants to make it to the end of longer races, and i kind of give him the opposite advice - pick the right wheels to be on, let other people close gaps, and comfortably roll his gear but don't jump around.

    all bets are off with like 3 to go, though.

    in road sprints, using energy in the final kilometer before the sprint has been one of the most difficult things for me to learn...
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    Quote Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
    are they really enduros if they're cat 4s? they might just be cat 4s.
    Well, I'm anti-label. And yes, there are certainly some there just happy to hang on. But knowing virtually everyone who races here, I can say there have been plenty of people in the cat 4 fields who were strong enough to make breaks, possibly make them stick, string out the field, make the stronger sprinters actually work. Instead, they sat in... and sure, they were fresh at the end... and still got stomped on the final laps. So what's the point of "doing no work?" F'n race. Track is so much more fun than crits... why turn it into one? I'm not saying do the suicide flame out. But when I see 24 guys jockey at the blue line for the majority of a cat 4 scratch race, it's baffling.

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    I finally brought my weights to the apartment. They had been sitting in the barn in the country. I set up the barbell as 80 LBS, including bar. Did some squats and a few lifts. What is it called when you lift it above your head in front of your face? Been doing push-ups for a week or two.

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    Its the road racing mentality. Everyone's advice to a new racer is always, always the same. Stay near the front but do no work. What happens when everyone tries this? A slow boring pace that reminds me of a sunday group ride to the donut shop.


    anyway...training status. Lots of time on my TT bike, lots of 3-5min intervals. Basically on a mission to take every flat strava KOM around here lol. I just signed up for the Midwest Challenge at Indy in...less than 3 weeks! Ugh. Doing the 1k and 4k, no idea where I will land. My only times are an indoor 138m wood vs the outdoor 333m concrete, so who knows. Looking forward to the nice soft banking though, no 50deg neck destroyers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
    hmmm, my cat 2 sorta-sprinter teammate wants to make it to the end of longer races, and i kind of give him the opposite advice - pick the right wheels to be on, let other people close gaps, and comfortably roll his gear but don't jump around.

    all bets are off with like 3 to go, though.

    in road sprints, using energy in the final kilometer before the sprint has been one of the most difficult things for me to learn...
    talking about a 3/4 race. where we are averaging slow as molasses speeds.

    there are a couple 1/2 sprinters in the field here at hellyer (garret hankins, raul arias, david mccook) and they can shut down gaps on their own and have enough juice to lay down a massive sprint. also one of them actually lapped the 1/2 field a couple weeks ago.

    also a couple weeks ago they held a sprint ladder in between the mass starts. my friend ended up beating every match sprinter specialist and winning the 1/2 omnium. There were a few rounds where he had to match sprint and do a mass sprint right after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    Well, I'm anti-label. And yes, there are certainly some there just happy to hang on. But knowing virtually everyone who races here, I can say there have been plenty of people in the cat 4 fields who were strong enough to make breaks, possibly make them stick, string out the field, make the stronger sprinters actually work. Instead, they sat in... and sure, they were fresh at the end... and still got stomped on the final laps. So what's the point of "doing no work?" F'n race. Track is so much more fun than crits... why turn it into one? I'm not saying do the suicide flame out. But when I see 24 guys jockey at the blue line for the majority of a cat 4 scratch race, it's baffling.
    this. i have a decent sprint but i do not want to sprint with the actual sprinters. so i urge the group on to keep the pace high and yo yo the pace as much as possible.

    i'm in no mans land right now. can finish strong in the 3/4 but mid pack in the 1/2/3.

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    Squatted in the ballpark of my old 80% rep work with 150kg 5x3 this evening, and smoked my 500 time(and then matched it 5 more times) the day prior. Good week so far!

    So at our very mildly banked, converted racecar track(3-5 degrees) I find it harder and harder to maintain a line as I get faster. It's also an odd shape. Two very small straightaways but dominated mostly by big looping turns. Is it faster to let the bike go wider, or lean in harder and stay on the line??

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    Got to t-town today just in time for a massive thunderstorm to roll through, which meant it was burrito time instead of race time. I was looking forward to trying to steal some points in the pro/am before the international guys come. Hopefully I can get some track time in tomorrow at kissena.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impreza_aL View Post
    talking about a 3/4 race. where we are averaging slow as molasses speeds.

    there are a couple 1/2 sprinters in the field here at hellyer (garret hankins, raul arias, david mccook) and they can shut down gaps on their own and have enough juice to lay down a massive sprint. also one of them actually lapped the 1/2 field a couple weeks ago.

    also a couple weeks ago they held a sprint ladder in between the mass starts. my friend ended up beating every match sprinter specialist and winning the 1/2 omnium. There were a few rounds where he had to match sprint and do a mass sprint right after.
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