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    Wabi on the track?

    I picked up a Wabi fixed-gear road bike this Fall and had a lot of fun with it before the weather turned cold for us here in Chicago. I live about 20 minutes from the Northbrook velodrome and thought it might be fun to try it out next Spring, so I was hoping to get some thoughts from the experts here. I donít care about being competitive while Iím just trying it out. Iím 44 so my potential is limited anyway.

    It seems relatively straightforward to remove the brakes, swap out the handlebar, and change the gearing. Am I missing anything?

    Also I saw that Miche has a cog carrier system that looks interesting if I will be changing cogs frequently to go back and forth between road and track setup. Good idea or fail?

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    Sure. The Wabi will get you riding on the track, so that's good.

    You probably want a bigger gear for track use than whatever you use for street riding.

    The Miche cog carrier system is good. I've used it for many, many years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingston View Post
    I’m 44 so my potential is limited anyway.
    Kent Bostick made the US Olympic team at age 42 or 44. Don't count yourself out
    Last edited by carleton; 11-18-14 at 09:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
    Sure. The Wabi will get you riding on the track, so that's good.

    You probably want a bigger gear for track use than whatever you use for street riding.

    The Miche cog carrier system is good. I've used it for many, many years.
    Thanks, very helpful. I have been experimenting with a range of different gearing options in the 66-71" range with a 3/32" chain on the road. I have also seen the post on track gearing so it looks like I will need to go with 48x16/15 for the track and work up from there. Since there appears to be zero overlap across road and track in either cogs or chainrings should I go with a 1/8" setup for the track or keep everything 3/32" for both road and track? I suspect I will need different chains anyway for the different lengths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    Kent Bostick made the US Olympic team at age 42 or 44. Don't count yourself out
    I appreciate the encouragement!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingston View Post
    I’m 44 so my potential is limited
    no chance of being fast in that age group..


    as for the miche carrier...
    ive got one on my back-up wheels. It's a decent system.
    nobody uses it- so you won't ever be able to borrow a cog

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    I have the miche carries on some of my wheels, its nice and fast to change cogs, I rather use a lock ring than a chain whip.

    Not sure how common it is, to be honest most people I ride with don't change gears much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingston View Post
    Thanks, very helpful. I have been experimenting with a range of different gearing options in the 66-71" range with a 3/32" chain on the road. I have also seen the post on track gearing so it looks like I will need to go with 48x16/15 for the track and work up from there. Since there appears to be zero overlap across road and track in either cogs or chainrings should I go with a 1/8" setup for the track or keep everything 3/32" for both road and track? I suspect I will need different chains anyway for the different lengths.
    Even 48x 16/ 15 is pretty low geared for track, at 80 & 85". they are perfect for commuting, though.
    85 could be a good warm up and starter gear on the track. You might want to go up to about 90" once you are comfortable to put down a little more power/ picking up a bit more speed. Everyone is different, though, and you might be a leg-speed-superstar (and happier on lower gears) i'm not, so that may mess with my objectivity here

    There are also the factors of what you have, and if its worthwhile to you, to get more 'stuff'. What chain rings and sprockets do you have already (affects what other bits you may get) ? What are you willing to spend on new ones, for just trying it out? - Some people are happy to throw lots of money at something new, but that's not for everyone.

    if your crank has a 144 bcd, you'll pick up gears easier, (and sell them easier, if thats what you decide down the line), If not, maybe wait a bit and see if you're hooked first, and stick with your current gears before buying new. Its definitely not a big deal for just getting a feel.
    If you decide that you might like to put a bit more into the track (of course you would! ;-) ) then look at a bigger gear range, and definitely only 144 bcd chainrings (and crankset). Otherwise you will paint yourself into a corner. for cogs, Miche is fine. Easy to fit. Not so great if your lock-ring works loose for some reason,

    1/8" is general track standard, and worth going with.

    Happy riding!
    Last edited by Velocirapture; 11-19-14 at 09:20 AM.
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    Really helpful, Velocirapture.

    Spending money on new bike parts is one of my favorite things to do, so there’s no concern there. The Wabi comes with 144 bcd cranks, so I’ll stick with that for the chainrings following this advice:

    Chainring size


    For the cogs I think I’ll go with the Miche system and get a 17 & 18 in 3/32” to match my current road chain and a 14 & 15 in 1/8” with a matched chain for the track. I'll search the archives for advice on 1/8" chainrings and chains. I have about 6 months to figure it out.

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    Here's where I know a little something or other. Wabi's are made with distance rides in mind. They don't really sport "track" geometry. Yes, they're fixed gear bikes and yes you can ride them on a velodrome, but they won't handle how you probably want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatsYoCadence View Post
    Here's where I know a little something or other. Wabi's are made with distance rides in mind. They don't really sport "track" geometry. Yes, they're fixed gear bikes and yes you can ride them on a velodrome, but they won't handle how you probably want.
    What handling characteristics would make this frame such a horrible choice for a beginner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinn8it View Post
    What handling characteristics would make this frame such a horrible choice for a beginner?
    You're exaggerating my words, bro.

    I just said it's not going to handle exactly like a track frame. Mostly because it's not a track frame. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure he'll love his new bike. I would! I've been wanting a wabi for a couple years now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatsYoCadence View Post
    I just said it's not going to handle exactly like a track frame. Mostly because it's not a track frame
    i was just asking how it would be different

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinn8it View Post
    i was just asking how it would be different

    I can't tell if you're being a smart a5s or not. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    Wabi frames have something like a 73 degree angle on the seat tube and the head tube, where as a tight track frame will have closer to 75. Might sound small, but it makes a difference. Turning will be tighter and twitchier.

    I'm not saying he shouldn't race with it. I'm saying Jason Kenny shouldn't.

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    This guy rides a frame witha 73deg HTA.

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    So does this guy.

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    the hipster myth.

    i practice vagabondery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatsYoCadence View Post
    Here's where I know a little something or other. Wabi's are made with distance rides in mind. They don't really sport "track" geometry. Yes, they're fixed gear bikes and yes you can ride them on a velodrome, but they won't handle how you probably want.
    I know the Wabi is a fixed gear road bike not a track bike. That's why I got it, and it has exceeded my expectations for that purpose. The main reason for the post was to make sure that I wasn't making some kind of newbie faux paux by taking it to the track at all. I know it's not designed for that purpose, but it sounds like with a few minor modifications it will be just fine for a beginner trying it out. I don't have any delusions about ever being very fast. I'm just a middle aged guy in search of some healthy entertainment. If I love track racing and can fit it into my schedule, it will be a great excuse to get a new bike. My wife has been complaining lately that we don't have enough bikes around the house .

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    First off:
    what @queerpunk said!
    Second off:
    why the **** are we talking about "what Jason Kenny should ride"
    third off:
    i am usually a smart ass- especially when I feel like people who have no business making definitive statements make them- and they are incorrect
    and finally:
    does "twitchy" sound like something that would be ideal or necessary for a beginning track racer who does not (I assume) have at least a road racing background?

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    @Quinn8it I'm only offering what I know. I'm not saying he would be a wreck on the track with the wabi, I'm only saying it's maybe not the first choice for many racers. Sorry about your seatpost that's clearly stuck up your ass.

    and @queerpunk it is nice to see slightly more relaxed angles being raced. Thanks for sharing.

    Those frames aren't steel though, which does play a part in angles and rigidity in combination. a small part, but a part!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatsYoCadence View Post
    @Quinn8it I'm only offering what I know.
    have you ever ridden the track?

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    Quote Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
    This guy rides a frame witha 73deg HTA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post


    Only the 52cm frame uses a 73 degree head tube (presumably to aid with toe clearance). None of those riders ride a 52cm TK1.

    52cm: 73 degrees
    55cm: 73.5 degrees
    57cm: 74 degrees

    And apparently they dropped the 60cm from the lineup for 2015...WTF??

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    Whatsyocadence, asking about bike frames for track racing is a lot like asking about basketball shoes for playing basketball. The miminum requirements for beginner/intermediate racers are pretty low. Just like "street" basketball shoes (Dunks, retro Jordans, Flights...) will work well for beginner/intermediate basketball players, the same goes for "street" track bikes.

    Also, just like pro players can play well in any basic basketball shoes, the same goes for track bikes.

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    well!
    i am going to have words with my research assistant!

    my point though is that there are a bunch of high-end bikes that don't have parallel 75deg angles.
    the hipster myth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
    well!
    i am going to have words with my research assistant!

    my point though is that there are a bunch of high-end bikes that don't have parallel 75deg angles.
    I know, hahaha. I just like Dwight.

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