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    Velodrome might be built in South Philadelphia

    From Philly.com yesterday...

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    A group of Philadelphia bicycle-racing enthusiasts is speeding ahead with plans for an ambitious, Olympic-class arena that is intended to position the city as the leader of the nation's growing track-cycling culture, while also providing space for the public to learn and practice the sport.

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    Named Project 250, the privately planned arena has excited the imaginations of cyclists, who believe a state-of-the-art, 250-meter bike track would become a top U.S. venue for international races. The arena, which would occupy a Broad Street site across from the Sports Complex, has already won strong backing from Mayor Nutter and Councilman Kenyatta Johnson, as well as from the Friends of FDR Park and neighborhood groups.


    The rest is here:
    Changing Skyline: Cyclists press plan for velodrome in S. Phila.

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    - 250m: Check
    - David N. Scheuermann: Check
    - Multi-use facility: Check
    - Running track, fitness center, and bike shop: Check

    This might work.

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    sounds exciting! Now I have an excuse to go to philly.

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    Yet another velodrome 1.5 hours from me. Hopefully it works out.

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    Wow. seeing the thread subject, I was priming a comment about how there are a jillion velodromes that "might be built" and we can't all get excited about every vapordrome, half-cocked plan, dubious dreamer, and monorail salesman out there ... but reading the article, this one seems to have traction - a bunch of well-connected political partnerships and support, and even avenues for funding. makes me hopeful.
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    Cool! But can Boston get some love?

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    For those who don't know, Schuermann Architects is the world's leading designer of velodromes:



    design of cycle tracks and velodromes

    I believe that they designed the Rock Hill velodrome which is a joy to ride. Buttery smooth transitions and so easy to ride under the black line.

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    This is why I'm encouaged. It's not just a powerpoint presentation at a city hall meeting.

    chuermann Architects of Münster, Germany, is a dynasty of architects specialising in the design of velodromes, cycle tracks and indoor athletics tracks since 1925.

    The Schuermann dynasty was founded by Clemens Schuermann (1888–1956), professional track cyclist and later architect, continued by his son Herbert Schuermann (1925–1994) and his grandson Ralph Schuermann (born 1953).

    They have designed more than 125 cycle tracks worldwide, among them many velodromes for Olympic Games, namely in Berlin in 1936, Rome in 1960, Mexico City in 1968, Munich in 1972, Seoul in 1986, Barcelona in 1990, and Beijing in 2008. They have also designed very famous world-record tracks as the Velodromo Vigorelli in Milan, Italy; "CDOM" in Mexico City, Mexico; "Velodrom" in Berlin, Germany and The Sir Chris Hoy Velodrome in Glasgow. They also designed the track for the World-Training-Center CMC of the Union Cycliste Internationale in Aigle, Switzerland, a 200-meter wooden indoor track. Schuermann also designed the "Viking Ship", the speed skating venue for the 1994 Winter Olympics, which can also be used as a velodrome, and has seen record performances in both sports.
    Schuermann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    They also designed the more recent Sir Chris Hoy velodrome in Scotland:



    You don't engage a firm like that unless you have your sh*t together

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    They're the real deal. They designed the NSC Velodrome in Minnesota, where I race, and it's a dream to ride. I've also seen photos of other outdoor stripwood velodromes they've designed and gasped because it just feels like looking at the same velodrome in a different place, in sort of a weird deja vu way.

    They didn't design the Rock Hill velodrome - not according to any info I can find.

    I also didn't particularly like riding the Rock Hill velodrome. It's nice that it exists because it is a pretty amazing facility, but the track itself I found it bumpy and slow, with too-short straights and turns with too wide of a radius.

    But maybe that's because I am spoiled by the NSC velodrome. If I had been coming from Kissena (where I used to race) or Dick Lane (which I understand is most of your racing, carleton) I maybe would have felt differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
    They're the real deal. They designed the NSC Velodrome in Minnesota, where I race, and it's a dream to ride. I've also seen photos of other outdoor stripwood velodromes they've designed and gasped because it just feels like looking at the same velodrome in a different place, in sort of a weird deja vu way.

    They didn't design the Rock Hill velodrome - not according to any info I can find.

    I also didn't particularly like riding the Rock Hill velodrome. It's nice that it exists because it is a pretty amazing facility, but the track itself I found it bumpy and slow, with too-short straights and turns with too wide of a radius.

    But maybe that's because I am spoiled by the NSC velodrome. If I had been coming from Kissena (where I used to race) or Dick Lane (which I understand is most of your racing, carleton) I maybe would have felt differently.
    The 250-meter track is made of concrete. The velodrome is part of the Rock Hill Outdoor Center. U.S. national track cycling championships will be held there in 2012 and 2013. The velodrome was designed by Ralph Schürmann, a cycling track architect from Münster, Germany.
    Giordana Velodrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I've ridden:

    - Trexlertown
    - Colorado Springs
    - Alpenrose
    - DLV
    - Rock Hill
    - ADT / Home Depot / whatever it's called now

    And Rock Hill and ADT are my favorites. I actually like Rock Hill slightly more than ADT in terms of the shape of the curves/turns.

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    2 funky! It's not on their website - but, the site doesn't exactly seem up to date...
    the hipster myth.

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    For those wondering, designing a velodrome isn't as easy as a competent architect opening a CAD program and making an oval track. The transitions and curves are part science and part witchcraft. Schuermann has the magic touch that some firms simply can't figure out. This is probably why they have been leaders in the field for nearly 100 years.

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    The Boulder Valley velodrome should be open shortly - early testing by experts conclude it is a great velodrome. Built by Home | Junek Velodromes

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    Quote Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
    Wow. seeing the thread subject, I was priming a comment about how there are a jillion velodromes that "might be built" and we can't all get excited about every vapordrome, half-cocked plan, dubious dreamer, and monorail salesman out there ... but reading the article, this one seems to have traction - a bunch of well-connected political partnerships and support, and even avenues for funding. makes me hopeful.
    monorail...monorail...the tab came off my pudding can!

    While it does seem more along the pipe dream train than a lot I have come across, the money is still the main driver. $100m is a lot of coin for a niche sport, and is a hard sell with lots of a failed velodromes as proof not to do it. Im surprised every time I hear the pittsburg track is still going to happen, even though they are a full year behind now I hear they still have money to do it, which is all that really matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    This is why I'm encouaged. It's not just a powerpoint presentation at a city hall meeting.



    Schuermann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    They also designed the more recent Sir Chris Hoy velodrome in Scotland:



    You don't engage a firm like that unless you have your sh*t together

    I was riding the Sir Chris Hoy velodrome yesterday morning, it's a fantastic venue that seems to have caught the imagination of Scottish riders as it can be difficult to find a slot at times. The early morning drop-in sessions are a great time to get some quality training in and the staff are very helpful




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    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    monorail...monorail...the tab came off my pudding can!

    While it does seem more along the pipe dream train than a lot I have come across, the money is still the main driver. $100m is a lot of coin for a niche sport, and is a hard sell with lots of a failed velodromes as proof not to do it. Im surprised every time I hear the pittsburg track is still going to happen, even though they are a full year behind now I hear they still have money to do it, which is all that really matters
    That Pittsburgh Velodrome needs a good project manager in the worst way. They can't even come up with a target date worth anything, it's a bit frustrating because it would be so cool if it happened.
    Do you think we're gonna make it? / I don't know unless we try \ you could sit here scared to move / or we could take them by surprise

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    Hey Philadelphia Bike Coalition has posted a statement on why they support the velodrome


    "Why We Support the Proposed Velodrome in South Philadelphia"
    Why We Support the Proposed Velodrome in South Philadelphia - Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia

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    I live 1/2 way between Philly and Allentown. It would be nice to have another venue. Especially an indoor one.

    One reason the Trexlertown velodrome has been so successful for so lone is their community involvement and a steadfast corporate sponsor. For $60 I can attend eight 90 minute classes taught by world class coaches, and they let me use a current track bike. That is one sweet deal. They also have 2 velofest flea markets and 3 try the track sessions. If they can do this again in Philly it will be great.

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