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12-27-14, 10:08 PM
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12-27-14, 10:09 PM
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Bacon smoke house, or smoked bacon house?
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12-29-14, 09:53 PM
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Biggest paying track race in the world is happening today/tonight (depending on where you are), Japan's Keirin Gran Prix. Live feed: ******************************?
12-29-14, 10:14 PM
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Biggest paying track race in the world is happening today/tonight (depending on where you are), Japan's Keirin Gran Prix. Live feed: ******************************?
12-30-14, 11:33 AM
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The final:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-uwXC-zY14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-uwXC-zY14
12-30-14, 05:35 PM
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Love the headbutting action between white and pink especially up the back straight! Is that much contact allowed in Japanese Keirin?
12-30-14, 05:36 PM
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Well over 100" for sure. They publish their gearing pre-race, I'll check it after I get home.
12-30-14, 06:44 PM
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Guy in green got his front wheel chopped out in the same race but just looked like a racing accident and not intentional...
No wonder they wear that extra padding!
No wonder they wear that extra padding!
12-30-14, 06:50 PM
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White was disqualified, still trying to work out why. Green was taken out by his own leadout (senko) man.
12-30-14, 06:52 PM
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Also, I think only one or two riders was wearing the armor. Pink (Kamiyama) definitely was, not sure if anybody else was. Armor getting less popular these days it seems.
12-30-14, 06:57 PM
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Carleton, intentional crashing is definitely not allowed, and riders are regularly suspended for rough riding. But intentional blocking and headbutting are ok. Not UCI approved, for sure!
12-30-14, 07:05 PM
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Why do you think blocking, hooks, sweeping, headbutting, etc... are allowed? The riders are in a generally delicate position being that they are using fixed gears at high speeds in tight formations.
12-30-14, 07:10 PM
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Why do I think that? I'm not sure how to answer this as I'm not sure exactly how they judge what constitutes a sanctionable action. I know for a fact that none of these things is illegal per se, but there is a point where it's too much. I just don't know where that point is. For example, why was white suspended and pink not?
Edit: Looking at this again, I'm guessing Murakami (white) was disqualified for the late and totally unnecessary hit on Hirahara (orange) whose race was already done as he was fading back along the apron. But it's just a guess.
Edit: Looking at this again, I'm guessing Murakami (white) was disqualified for the late and totally unnecessary hit on Hirahara (orange) whose race was already done as he was fading back along the apron. But it's just a guess.
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12-30-14, 07:13 PM
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Further, Japanese keirin is a TEAM sport. Watch this race again and notice how they ride in threes. These are called lines, and each position in the line has a specific job to do. For both of the trailing riders in each line, blocking is part of that job.
12-30-14, 07:16 PM
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01-02-15, 02:10 AM
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Re: gears of top keirin guys in Japan, I've been unable to find out what was run in the Keirin GP as they just delete the pre-race info once the race is run. However, I just heard from an ex-pro that with the turning of the year there is now a gear limit at 4.00 or what we would call 108". I had no idea but apparently there was some concern that the big gears were negatively affecting the racing in some way from the better's point of view.
01-02-15, 08:02 AM
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Re: gears of top keirin guys in Japan, I've been unable to find out what was run in the Keirin GP as they just delete the pre-race info once the race is run. However, I just heard from an ex-pro that with the turning of the year there is now a gear limit at 4.00 or what we would call 108". I had no idea but apparently there was some concern that the big gears were negatively affecting the racing in some way from the better's point of view.
01-02-15, 08:49 AM
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Here's more information, which I found pretty helpful for understanding Japanese keirin. Ben Kersten's keirin diary from 2007. Once I read this I started to see the "three trains of three" formations a lot more clearly than I had before.
These are the names of three positions and they are the foundation of every Japanese Keirin.
Senko (Lead out man), must attack 800m - 400m before the finish.
Makuri (2nd sometimes also 3rd wheel), must not attack any earlier than about 300m before the finish.
Oikomi (3rd sometimes also 4th wheel), must not attack any earlier than about 150m before the finish.
A Japanese Keirin has nine riders in it versus the International rule of six. In ideal terms the punters and the association wish to see the riders form three opposing lines of three for each race. Usually riders from the same area organise themselves as to what position they will take depending on their strengths. If you don't have any other local riders in your heat you organise with people you know who want to ride in a position you don't. If you don't know anyone, for example us the Internationals, you just have to get whoever puts their hand up. You will begin to see the problems for us with this.
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The night before every race day you must nominate what gear you will ride and nominate what tactic: yes, my favourite words, Senko, Makuri or Oikomi. This is locked in with the newspapers and then and there is NOTHING that can be done to change it. Tactics and gear selection go out to all the bookies and then the people start to bet according to that information.
Now, the idea of riding Senko (must attack 800m - 400m before the finish) and committing yourself on the front of eight good Keirin riders for so long seems absurd to say the least, but here's where the positions come into it. If you're riding Senko, the guy who has nominated to go behind you (Makuri), will protect you by physical force against anyone who wants to pass. In turn the rider behind him (Oikomi) will do the same for him. They will protect you until it's their time to try and win and then it's only you versus your own formation of three rather than the whole nine.
Senko (Lead out man), must attack 800m - 400m before the finish.
Makuri (2nd sometimes also 3rd wheel), must not attack any earlier than about 300m before the finish.
Oikomi (3rd sometimes also 4th wheel), must not attack any earlier than about 150m before the finish.
A Japanese Keirin has nine riders in it versus the International rule of six. In ideal terms the punters and the association wish to see the riders form three opposing lines of three for each race. Usually riders from the same area organise themselves as to what position they will take depending on their strengths. If you don't have any other local riders in your heat you organise with people you know who want to ride in a position you don't. If you don't know anyone, for example us the Internationals, you just have to get whoever puts their hand up. You will begin to see the problems for us with this.
...
The night before every race day you must nominate what gear you will ride and nominate what tactic: yes, my favourite words, Senko, Makuri or Oikomi. This is locked in with the newspapers and then and there is NOTHING that can be done to change it. Tactics and gear selection go out to all the bookies and then the people start to bet according to that information.
Now, the idea of riding Senko (must attack 800m - 400m before the finish) and committing yourself on the front of eight good Keirin riders for so long seems absurd to say the least, but here's where the positions come into it. If you're riding Senko, the guy who has nominated to go behind you (Makuri), will protect you by physical force against anyone who wants to pass. In turn the rider behind him (Oikomi) will do the same for him. They will protect you until it's their time to try and win and then it's only you versus your own formation of three rather than the whole nine.
01-07-15, 05:18 PM
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These new UCI Doping rules are nuts: New UCI Anti-Doping Rules introduced to reflect 2015 World Anti-Doping Code and further strengthen cycling?s anti-doping procedures
It's cool that they are slightly more lenient regarding recreational drugs that don't enhance performance (weed). But, a 4 year ban for a first offense is career-ending.
It's cool that they are slightly more lenient regarding recreational drugs that don't enhance performance (weed). But, a 4 year ban for a first offense is career-ending.
01-08-15, 04:14 AM
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These new UCI Doping rules are nuts: New UCI Anti-Doping Rules introduced to reflect 2015 World Anti-Doping Code and further strengthen cycling?s anti-doping procedures
It's cool that they are slightly more lenient regarding recreational drugs that don't enhance performance (weed). But, a 4 year ban for a first offense is career-ending.
It's cool that they are slightly more lenient regarding recreational drugs that don't enhance performance (weed). But, a 4 year ban for a first offense is career-ending.
01-08-15, 08:35 AM
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This is a very good thing in addition to being a stronger deterrent. Apparently steroid use affects the structure of the muscles, and not just short term muscle-growth or recovery. As such, short term use has long term (years) benefits.
You keep cheating even once you've stopped taking