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    Save The South Chicago Velodrome!

    So the city of Chicago's only velodrome is set to be demolished by April first if we fail to get $100000 to pay it off. Help out the cause at: Save the South Chicago Velodrome by SCV Association - GoFundMe
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    Anybody know the straight dope about the SCV/CVC velodrome? This is what was posted on the CVC facebook group which makes it sound like the track isn't in a state to be saved. What is the $100k going toward? Repairs? Paying off the lease? Wasn't this just a temporary velodrome until something nice was going to be built?

    Misleading social media communications
    During my 47 years of life I learned a number of things, one is that there is no worse action than to make fake public communications about a sensitive matter to confuse the public opinion and mislead possible genuine and constructive efforts.

    I've left the SocialMedia scene due to some exceptional events in my life. I heard a few things from close friends that remained active, and I'd like to inform the public so everyone knows how things are.

    Lakeside Velo Works Inc. DBA as "Chicago Velo Campus" didn't "lose any lease" the non for profit organization at the time under my presidency had initiated a legal action against Dale Huges and his company V-Worldwide Inc.
    The reasons were mainly the numerous breaches to the contract, the velodrome was delivered with structural defects and substantial differences to the signed agreement, one of the biggest issues was the mistakenly calculated length that excluded the option of homologation of the track.

    The legal action resulted during Arlette Vollrath's presidency in an agreement between the parties to a substantial depreciation of the value of the track and left open the option to buy the track at the end of the lease.

    LVW Inc. didn't lose any lease, we (the president, myself and the board unanimously voted) and deliberately refused to exercise the option to buy the track at the end of the lease and these are a few reasons:

    1) Recently the structural quality of the track lost integrity, its safety and overall quality fell well below acceptable levels, V-Worldwide had projected a 10 to 12 years integrity but after just 12 months the panels were in awful shape and things worsened in the following years, mainly due to inappropriate preparation of the material and poor assembly.

    2) The participation of the cycling community both in terms of volunteering and as participants of races and events fell below acceptable levels, the last season of races and training events being the lowest ever.

    3) Just the liability insurance cost per year reaches over $30,000.00.
    Without an effective return in terms of volunteering and participating we decided to terminate the project and refuse to exercise the option to buy.

    There are other misleading notes being sent out into the Internet.
    For example stating "Under No Management" is a very false statement. This organization has a board of directors consisting of President, Chairman, multiple board members and advisors. None of the board members took part in making those statements that are false.

    Ideas and attempts to save a velodrome should reflect truthful statements and should not try to misinform the public.

    If anyone has questions or comments, they can be sent directly to board@velocampus.com or info@chicagovelocampus.com

    Emanuele Bianchi
    Chairman of the Board
    Lakeside Velo Works Inc.
    DBA Chicago Velo Campus

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    I think Emanuele's outfit abandoned the CVC, or closed it. But, I don't know who manages the property, owns the velodrome, etc... I do know that Marcus from Yojimbo's Garage is leading an effort to keep the velodrome intact and afloat in some capacity.

    There was a forum discussing the issues but I can't find it right meow.
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    Yeah, this drama seems interesting.

    2) The participation of the cycling community both in terms of volunteering and as participants of races and events fell below acceptable levels, the last season of races and training events being the lowest ever.
    I would love to hear about attendance. I think that will tell a lot of the story.

    All I know is the anecdotal stories that a few people have told me. Basically, if you've raced on 250 and longer tracks, 166m isn't very fun or useful even for training.

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    I went to the CVC to race the ABR Nationals a couple years ago. I had a ton of fun racing at the velodrome. I learned how to race track on a 400, but have done most of my racing on a 250. Going from a 250 to the CVC felt like going from a 400 to a 250!

    But yes. The racing community wasn't very large or deep. It may have changed in the time since I was there, but, I don't get the impression that it did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    Yeah, this drama seems interesting.



    I would love to hear about attendance. I think that will tell a lot of the story.

    All I know is the anecdotal stories that a few people have told me. Basically, if you've raced on 250 and longer tracks, 166m isn't very fun or useful even for training.
    I don't know jack about sprinting, but 166 certainty works for enduros. I actually think it's more fun than a 333, you can take a lap so quickly the racing is super dynamic, and the stuff that's unique to track is amplified,rather than racing a crit with no hills or corners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wens View Post
    I don't know jack about sprinting, but 166 certainty works for enduros. I actually think it's more fun than a 333, you can take a lap so quickly the racing is super dynamic, and the stuff that's unique to track is amplified,rather than racing a crit with no hills or corners.
    I think that's the only sort of racing that such a track is good for. Time trials and sprinting seem to suffer on short tracks...all other things being equal. Also, it seems to be a narrow track. Wider tracks allow for more riders and aid in the dive for flying 200M and stuff like that.

    This is why a lot of world records are set in Moscow. It's a 333M track that is wide as a barn. This means that if you go wide in the turns, you are also going very high and gaining lots of potential energy.


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    riders doing a flying 200 at Moscow look like they're big wave surfers going down a massive wave.

    yeah, short tracks are for mass-start enduro races. they're still fairly common, 200m and under being standard for six-day races in Europe (which usually involve a series of custom-rule madison-style races, with a sprinkling of time trials thrown in). i think i've heard that 't Kuipke, the legendary velodrome in Ghent, is like 140m!
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    And really, even though they're not ideal for sprinting or timed stuff, would yearly rather have tracks just not quite get enough money to build anything, or show up 166? It's a much easier fundraising pitch if you have infrastructure that's used and a factual revenue stream than if you're pitching pictures on a PowerPoint, so I think short tracks help you get 250 tracks as well.
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    A 166m track is great when the alternative is a 0m track. My home track is 138m...


    Not discrediting the gofundme, but is there any proof it is even legit? It has a single line
    "Job #1- Save the South Chicago Velodrome from being removed"


    Is there more to the plan than the old lady 'save the clock tower!' ?


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    That is funny, I was at Dale's house last night talking track. The Chicago track is an old story. That place had problems from the beginning - the reasons listed just look like excuses to me. It was a two year lease from the start - I imagine because Emanuele wasn't really committed in the first place? If it had worked out, the wanted to disassemble the outdoor track and build a nice fancy indoor track facility. That will be happening, but not in Chicago.

    The same track was built at Cleveland, and Cleveland is going great. Chicago was struggling from the start. Same track, built at roughly the same time in similar areas of the country, two very different results. The community matters.

    166m tracks are fun. You may see some of our US Olympic trials at 166m and 200m tracks soon - the events would be tailored to a short track (events like a Madison or shorter sprints). 333 tracks would host the longer events.

    Besides, the most famous 6 day race in the world is held on a 167m track (the "little bowl" Ghent, Belgium)

    If you can race well on a 166m track, you can race anywhere (except maybe London ONT). Can't say the same about a 333m track rider.
    Last edited by chas58; 03-19-15 at 09:21 AM.

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