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Old 05-11-05, 08:10 PM   #1
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Im sorry but I have a Heartrate question :(

For optimum Fat burning and my age (32) My Max HR (per the 220-age) is 188. I am suposed to exercise @ 65-85% of this rate which is a low of 122 and a High of 162.

Now the problem, When Im on my bike (2005 Trek Road) I spin at a HR of 165 and usually Max out at 175.

The only way I could stay around my target fat burning area is to just pedal around the neighbor hood like I did when I was a kid.

That would suck, I like to let it eat!

Any ideas? Will my heart become more efficient as I ride?, Im not gonna stop rippin hard. I like it and I have ridden around the neighborhood all my life just joy riding. When I leave on my bike, I want to get in a really good workout with the time I have.

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Old 05-12-05, 08:06 AM   #2
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If you can sustain an HR of 165, then it sounds as though the issue isn't that you are going too hard, but that your Max HR is higher than you think. The (220 - Age) formula is an estimate, that doesn't take into account fitness or genetics (e.g. LA's would be the same as mine! ). Instead, you could use the 2x20 Anaerobic threshold test to get a better estimate, or find a center and pay some money to find out your VO2 Max.
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I know for a fact that the 220-age is only a guideline. I am 33 and my max achieved heart rate (on more than one occasion) is 202.

That being said, a good "workout" ride has me spending much of my time in the 170 range. If I start sustaining 180-190 I know to back off.
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If you have a heart rate...........that's good.

If you don't............................that's bad.

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If you want to improve fast, then ride slow. The biggest problem with new riders is developing a good aerobic foundation, accomplished by keeping your heartrate down, is boring. Most developing riders will train in the "no-mans-land". Riding hard enough to get tired, but without the ability to really push the LT, etc. I suggest alternating fun (fast rides) with long slow rides. Pretty soon your slow rides will have a low heart rate.
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If you want to improve fast, then ride slow. The biggest problem with new riders is developing a good aerobic foundation, accomplished by keeping your heartrate down, is boring. Most developing riders will train in the "no-mans-land". Riding hard enough to get tired, but without the ability to really push the LT, etc. I suggest alternating fun (fast rides) with long slow rides. Pretty soon your slow rides will have a low heart rate.
The stuff that I have read lately disagrees with that. Train slow, ride slow. Also, it is an old wives tale about burning fat in the lower ends of the aerobic scale. I just read an interesting treatise on that. BTW, I started riding just under a year ago, ride my a$$ off with a fast group, do lots of intervals, and I broke the Florida state record for the 5K TT in the senior games last weekend. Probably my competitors used your theory! Oh, and yes, in the 10K, I was the only rider out of over 100 that broke 16 minutes. Train fast - race fast. Train slow - don't bother to race!

Also, interestingly, I just read a piece today with advice for someone that finds themselves suddenly able to train only twice a week for awhile. The advice was to train hard on those two days, and you can come close to keeping your form. Granted, many of the "experts" have divergent views, but from my coaching experience with runners, those that I coached trained hard and fast, and won! The guys who kept proclaiming that LSD was the way to train never made the podium.

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All is about a balance, same as in running. I do not deny that training fast will make you faster, but you also need endurance workouts!! So it aounds, as jnbacon mention it, you need to double check your max HR!
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All is about a balance, same as in running. I do not deny that training fast will make you faster, but you also need endurance workouts!! So it aounds, as jnbacon mention it, you need to double check your max HR!
Candidly, I wish I could get more balance. I think I do too many club rides, and our rides tend to be quite competitive. The road race that I participated in last weekend did not have anywhere near the intensity of our standard rides. I often plan to just spin, but I get caught up in the excitement and wind up doing long, fast pulls, and then contest all of the sprints. The good news is that whatever I have been doing seems to work quite well to make one competitively proficient.
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Thanks for all the help, Im not planning on racing anything, just would like to be able to ride with "the group" being dropped sucks

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OK here is a thread that we did a month ago on this subject. The issue is simply this don't get hooked on a number. if you are trying to become more fit then make a good periodization schedule and stick to it. Balance is good take this easy schedule-one day do aerobic and the next anaerobic take a day off and then go again. karvonens is not the ideal method and only a doctor given stress test is the best way to use precentages to find that hr+intensity number that is valid enough to say I am working at 156 and that is 70% of my max HR- Question is at that point -due to what you did a couple of days before- is that 156 feeling great or is it like your heart is coming out of your chest?
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thx velocity, that was what I really needed
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