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M&M's AND Beer! And not that nasty lite beer stuff, either, but some beer with color taste and calories!!
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Originally Posted by appel
...My qualifications? I've been into the world of bodybuilding for 7 years, ...
06-02-05, 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by capsicum
The truth is revealed, He hates pie!
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06-02-05, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by appel
I notice that many of you make humour out of this, too bad.
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My qualifications? I've been into the world of bodybuilding for 7 years,
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I've read countless of articles on nutrition and health
From where?!? High Times? The bulletin board at the local Trader Joes?
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Pork amino acid build-up is poor
That statement makes absolutely no sense.
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your body will utilize pork protein very badly, because it lacks so many amino acids that your body needs.
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Maybe it's time to bring some solid science in here...hmm....
1. Show us the deficient amino acid profile of pork. I'm sure the kosher foods industry would gladly pay you a lot of money for such proof...
(actually a quick google search turns up Alfaia et. al , Food Science and Technology International.2004; 10: 297-304 where Portugese dried cured ham show large increases in free form levels of several amino acids after seven months of curing)
2. Show us where it's been demonstrated that the body's utilization of protein is slower or less efficient when the amino acid profile of the protein is incomplete or deficient. That's a pretty groundbreaking statement, dude. Would have to rewrite the textbooks there...
3) Reconcile that statement with your later post that "soy protein is great". Since soy protein, while complete (meaning it containes all the amino acids your body can't make itself), is markedly deficient in cysteine, methionine and tryptophan compared to animal products. By your reasoning, soy should have piss-poor utilization.
4) And most importantly, show me where its been demonstrated that it takes one week to recover from one glass of beer!
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Originally Posted by alison_in_oh
Ground anything isn't good for you, too much surface area.
06-02-05, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by halfbiked
Too much surface area? Thats a new one to me. Is it surface area that is inherently bad, or only surface area of proteins or meat products specifically? and why?
Ground meat isn't good because the increased surface area provides a perfect breeding ground for bacteria and also leaves the fat in contact with the air where it will oxidize (go rancid) more quickly. Freshly ground meat, like if you know for a fact your butcher ground it that day, is usually OK; ground beef can be the worst though because these days I understand it is often ground at the source and transported in its ground state (lower energy than steak haha PHYSICS JOKE) which means A) it's exposed to the bacteria from slaughter and B) it's then happily growing for that whole transport period (yes, there are safe handling practices, no they aren't always followed let alone enforced).
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Originally Posted by alison_in_oh
I knew I should elaborate that one, but it was a hasty rant. Ground meat isn't good because the increased surface area provides a perfect breeding ground for bacteria and also leaves the fat in contact with the air where it will oxidize (go rancid) more quickly. Freshly ground meat, like if you know for a fact your butcher ground it that day, is usually OK; ground beef can be the worst though because these days I understand it is often ground at the source and transported in its ground state (lower energy than steak haha PHYSICS JOKE) which means A) it's exposed to the bacteria from slaughter and B) it's then happily growing for that whole transport period (yes, there are safe handling practices, no they aren't always followed let alone enforced).
Ground meat isn't good because the increased surface area provides a perfect breeding ground for bacteria and also leaves the fat in contact with the air where it will oxidize (go rancid) more quickly. Freshly ground meat, like if you know for a fact your butcher ground it that day, is usually OK; ground beef can be the worst though because these days I understand it is often ground at the source and transported in its ground state (lower energy than steak haha PHYSICS JOKE) which means A) it's exposed to the bacteria from slaughter and B) it's then happily growing for that whole transport period (yes, there are safe handling practices, no they aren't always followed let alone enforced).
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06-02-05, 11:54 AM
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Phew. At least our home-made corned-beef hash is still ok...
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Originally Posted by krispistoferson
That's why we apply a new invention called fire to it.
06-02-05, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by konageezer
Interesting. Tell me, what is this "fire" of which you speak?
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06-02-05, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by krispistoferson
Screw you, Canuck! America's keeping this technology for itself!
06-02-05, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by krispistoferson
Screw you, Canuck! America's keeping this technology for itself!
And if you're going to be like that, we want Jim Carrey back. And that what's-his-name guy from Back to the Future… shakes all the time… you know who I mean.
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Originally Posted by konageezer
Oh, yeah? Well, it just so happens I LIKE cold canned ravioli, so there.
And if you're going to be like that, we want Jim Carrey back. And that what's-his-name guy from Back to the Future… shakes all the time… you know who I mean.
And if you're going to be like that, we want Jim Carrey back. And that what's-his-name guy from Back to the Future… shakes all the time… you know who I mean.
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Originally Posted by konageezer
Oh, yeah? Well, it just so happens I LIKE cold canned ravioli, so there.
And if you're going to be like that, we want Jim Carrey back. And that what's-his-name guy from Back to the Future… shakes all the time… you know who I mean.
And if you're going to be like that, we want Jim Carrey back. And that what's-his-name guy from Back to the Future… shakes all the time… you know who I mean.
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Originally Posted by PenguinDeD
Take Celine Dion back too.
06-02-05, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by PenguinDeD
Your offer is acceptible, provided you perminantly muzzle Dion.
Um… CANADIAN beers.
06-02-05, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PenguinDeD
Excellent. And then we'll watch some hockey. Oh wait...
BWAHAHAHAHA!
BWAHAHAHAHA!
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man i already follow this diet i like everything there and try to drink as much water and of the sort and treat myself nicely with some crystal light every now and then or a diet coke
broccoli is a top on favorites list for me and as well as the rest of the veggies also i LOVE my meats
broccoli is a top on favorites list for me and as well as the rest of the veggies also i LOVE my meats
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Originally Posted by alison_in_oh
Science? How about the horrid fatty acid profile of beef fat? The mercury in tuna? Dietary cholesterol doesn't necessarily affect blood cholesterol, but that doesn't mean that shrimp need to be on the "supreme" list! Ground anything isn't good for you, too much surface area. Protein powder is totally unnecessary for the vast majority of us, especially on a biking forum where most of us are focusing on endurance exercise. You haven't even mentioned valuable legume protein sources like soy and garbanzo beans, or wheat-gluten and sources like seitan. As far as GI, basmati is far superior to long-grain white rice, and red potatoes are far superior to bakers. Not to mention there is a plethora of healthful starchy food that you have left off of your laughable "complex carb" list, from quinoa to amaranth and beyond; where's my lentils? My taro? The truncated vegetable list so tellingly attributed to "fibrous carbs" is ridiculous. I can eat more variety in veggies than that in a single day, and on any given weekend what's on my grocery list will be "whatever is fresh and in season". Likewise for the fruits, though the GI of berries and their antioxidant contents should rocket them to the top of the list. Kudos for listing olive oil front and center, and safflower's not bad, but neither is canola if organically grown. Rather than listing peanuts twice, why not branch out into sesame (tahini) and healthful mixed nut combinations -- the selenium in Brazil nuts is good for your babymakers, you know. Dairy's far from necessary, and as I've mentioned the casein is quite irritating to most immune systems, exacerbating existing allergies even if it doesn't trigger any itself -- and the mucilagenous properties make it quite impeding for those of us who actually need to breathe hard while riding our bikes! Eggs are duplicated of course, you had them under protein foods. Diet soda on the healthy food list? Crystal light mentioned by brand name? Are they paying you to push their overpriced chemical flavoring? As has been mentioned, your condiment selection is woefully understocked, you really need to branch out in your culinary skills methinks.
And now with that rant in place, I am late for my after-work ride!
And now with that rant in place, I am late for my after-work ride!
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Originally Posted by alison_in_oh
Science? How about the horrid fatty acid profile of beef fat? The mercury in tuna? Dietary cholesterol doesn't necessarily affect blood cholesterol, but that doesn't mean that shrimp need to be on the "supreme" list! Ground anything isn't good for you, too much surface area. Protein powder is totally unnecessary for the vast majority of us, especially on a biking forum where most of us are focusing on endurance exercise. You haven't even mentioned valuable legume protein sources like soy and garbanzo beans, or wheat-gluten and sources like seitan. As far as GI, basmati is far superior to long-grain white rice, and red potatoes are far superior to bakers. Not to mention there is a plethora of healthful starchy food that you have left off of your laughable "complex carb" list, from quinoa to amaranth and beyond; where's my lentils? My taro? The truncated vegetable list so tellingly attributed to "fibrous carbs" is ridiculous. I can eat more variety in veggies than that in a single day, and on any given weekend what's on my grocery list will be "whatever is fresh and in season". Likewise for the fruits, though the GI of berries and their antioxidant contents should rocket them to the top of the list. Kudos for listing olive oil front and center, and safflower's not bad, but neither is canola if organically grown. Rather than listing peanuts twice, why not branch out into sesame (tahini) and healthful mixed nut combinations -- the selenium in Brazil nuts is good for your babymakers, you know. Dairy's far from necessary, and as I've mentioned the casein is quite irritating to most immune systems, exacerbating existing allergies even if it doesn't trigger any itself -- and the mucilagenous properties make it quite impeding for those of us who actually need to breathe hard while riding our bikes! Eggs are duplicated of course, you had them under protein foods. Diet soda on the healthy food list? Crystal light mentioned by brand name? Are they paying you to push their overpriced chemical flavoring? As has been mentioned, your condiment selection is woefully understocked, you really need to branch out in your culinary skills methinks.
And now with that rant in place, I am late for my after-work ride!
And now with that rant in place, I am late for my after-work ride!
I don't want to dog appel like the rest. I think he/she is just trying to help some people out with a cleaner list of foods.
With that said I think alison_in_oh makes some great points. Alison why not write up your own list similiarly broken down like appel's list. I'd love to see it.