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    Going Veggie

    Are there any vegetarian cyclists out there? I'm thinking about going the veggie route (but allow eggs). Please don't ask me about the reason since I don't want this to be a flame war. I just want to know if it will hinder my progress as a cyclist and what effects it might have.

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    I'm not a vegetarian, but if you are going vegie talk to you doctor about a balanced diet.
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    There's a bunch of vegetarians in 'training and nutrition' (which is where this thread belongs) and some in 'singlespeed and fixed gear' and some in 'politics and religion' forums.

    Good luck.


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    My cousin is a full vegitarian. His whole family is. he also prob weighs 130-140 and it almost all muscle ride every day and his cholesteral is in the 200+ range...
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    I think its works great. I personally cant live without meat. But there are pleny of ways to get your carb fix and protein. Plus you will most likely lose weight. I may consider it sometime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UmneyDurak
    I'm not a vegetarian, but if you are going vegie talk to you doctor about a balanced diet.
    Absolutely. I had a friend who didn't complement her proteins and managed to end up in the hospital. This isn't a political issue, it biochemical. Meat matches what you need a lot better than beans or rice, although beans AND rice is a pretty good combination.

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    If you eat a well balanced diet and limit the amount of eggs and fast food you should see an improvement in your cycling and extend your life expectancy at the same time, this means more cycling! Good on you, and the best of luck. Just don’t listen to the meat eaters who will come up with all kinds of strange arguments about how god gave us hands to hold clubs to kill animals etc. etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon P
    Just don’t listen to the meat eaters who will come up with all kinds of strange arguments about how god gave us hands to hold clubs to kill animals etc. etc.
    Agreed, that's the silliest argument I've ever heard.

    Everyone knows that God gave us hickory trees so that we could slow cook pork ribs into a symphony of barbecuey goodness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon P
    If you eat a well balanced diet and limit the amount of eggs and fast food you should see an improvement in your cycling and extend your life expectancy at the same time, this means more cycling! Good on you, and the best of luck. Just don’t listen to the meat eaters who will come up with all kinds of strange arguments about how god gave us hands to hold clubs to kill animals etc. etc.
    "extend your life expectancy"
    Proof?

    God didn't necessarily give us clubs, but he did give us dominion over the animals. And by the way I love animals, they taste great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeDad
    Absolutely. I had a friend who didn't complement her proteins and managed to end up in the hospital. This isn't a political issue, it biochemical. Meat matches what you need a lot better than beans or rice, although beans AND rice is a pretty good combination.
    Ever hear of something called cholesterol? If you believe the advice that you gave, you are totally clueless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Butch***
    Ever hear of something called cholesterol? If you believe the advice that you gave, you are totally clueless.
    No. I'm someone with a Ph.D. in biochemistry from a better school than you ever walked by.

    If you read my post, instead of what you think I wrote, you'd have realized that I wasn't telling the OP not to go veggie. I was simply pointing out the undeniable fact that to get the proper mix of amino acids one must "complement" veggie foods, a fairly uncontroversial practice among veggies.

    It's entirely possible to construct an egg plus veggie diet that limits cholesterol intake, just as it is possible to substitute so much animal protein with egg protein that cholesterol intake would go up. One simply needs to pay attention to what one is doing. You should try it some time.

    [Edit: link advocating complementation from Duke's student health services: http://healthydevil.studentaffairs.d...ian_diet.html]
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    this thread has been done! who has the link?

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    Everyone knows that God gave us hickory trees so that we could slow cook pork ribs into a symphony of barbecuey goodness.
    I was listening to international radio and this guy from the southern part of America was going on about how if god didn’t want us to eat meat it wouldn’t have given us fire and BBQ sauce. Funny, I almost pissed myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeDad
    No. I'm someone with a Ph.D. in biochemistry from a better school than you ever walked by.
    Good God. I love it when people who think they are smarter than everyone else make ignorant comments like this. It's even better when arrogant @ssholes (like yourself, obviously) have to make up for low self-esteem by bragging on bikeforums.net Where did you get your PhD, West Virginia University?



    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeDad
    If you read my post, instead of what you think I wrote, you'd have realized that I wasn't telling the OP not to go veggie. I was simply pointing out the undeniable fact that to get the proper mix of amino acids one must "complement" veggie foods, a fairly uncontroversial practice among veggies.

    It's entirely possible to construct an egg plus veggie diet that limits cholesterol intake, just as it is possible to substitute so much animal protein with egg protein that cholesterol intake would go up. One simply needs to pay attention to what one is doing. You should try it some time.
    No, you said that "Meat matches what you need a lot better than beans or rice.” That is simply not true. With the right combinations of nuts, grains and seeds, the body will receive all eight amino acids. Next time, do a little research before you feel the need to pontificate your one-sided ideas in a public forum like this.
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    Butch -

    You accused me of being clueless - I merely pointed out that I wasn't, and I have the training to back that up.

    Also, you again demonstrate your inability to read my post. I said beans OR rice weren't a good match, but that beans AND rice were pretty good.

    You then go on argue that combining veggie foods can give you all the necessary amino acids, ignoring the fact that the point of my post was to make sure the OP was complementing their diet to accomplish exactly that.

    You also ignore the fact that my advice was consistent with that of any legitimate healthcare professional - veggie is fine as long as you pay attention to what you're doing.

    Finally, I did not attend WVU, although I believe WVU has an admirable record in generating Rhodes Scholars. Believe it or not, there are actually intelligent people in West Virginia. Rocks your world doesn't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hi565
    My cousin is a full vegitarian. His whole family is. he also prob weighs 130-140 and it almost all muscle ride every day and his cholesteral is in the 200+ range...
    Your cousin's cholesterol levels are very high. I thought vegetarian diets help to lower your cholesterol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeDad
    Butch -

    You accused me of being clueless - I merely pointed out that I wasn't, and I have the training to back that up.

    Also, you again demonstrate your inability to read my post. I said beans OR rice weren't a good match, but that beans AND rice were pretty good.
    No, you are clueless and arrogant. Early on in the thread you were indicating that a vegetarian would need to use animal products (eggs) to complement their diet. (“It's entirely possible to construct an egg plus veggie diet that limits cholesterol intake, just as it is possible to substitute so much animal protein with egg protein that cholesterol intake would go up.”) You didn’t continue this after I stated that all eight amino acids could be obtained from non-animal sources.


    You were doing more than providing yourself with credibility, you were being arrogant. A statement like “I'm someone with a Ph.D. in biochemistry from a better school than you ever walked by.” screams arrogance!



    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeDad
    You then go on argue that combining veggie foods can give you all the necessary amino acids, ignoring the fact that the point of my post was to make sure the OP was complementing their diet to accomplish exactly that.

    You also ignore the fact that my advice was consistent with that of any legitimate healthcare professional - veggie is fine as long as you pay attention to what you're doing.

    See first point.



    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeDad
    Finally, I did not attend WVU, although I believe WVU has an admirable record in generating Rhodes Scholars. Believe it or not, there are actually intelligent people in West Virginia. Rocks your world doesn't it.

    I agree that many fine minds have come out of WVU, but they are not particularly known for their biochemistry program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprocket Man
    Your cousin's cholesterol levels are very high. I thought vegetarian diets help to lower your cholesterol?
    genetics. It has helped. OF course lucky me, im in the family! (oh hes more of my second cousin he is 50)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeDad
    No. I'm someone with a Ph.D. in biochemistry from a better school than you ever walked by.

    If you read my post, instead of what you think I wrote, you'd have realized that I wasn't telling the OP not to go veggie. I was simply pointing out the undeniable fact that to get the proper mix of amino acids one must "complement" veggie foods, a fairly uncontroversial practice among veggies.

    It's entirely possible to construct an egg plus veggie diet that limits cholesterol intake, just as it is possible to substitute so much animal protein with egg protein that cholesterol intake would go up. One simply needs to pay attention to what one is doing. You should try it some time.

    [Edit: link advocating complementation from Duke's student health services: http://healthydevil.studentaffairs.d...ian_diet.html]
    Oh, and BTW, you should figure out how to link to something before posting a link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baj32161
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    Quote Originally Posted by ***Butch***
    No, you are clueless and arrogant. Early on in the thread you were indicating that a vegetarian would need to use animal products (eggs) to complement their diet.

    Umm, a vegetarian diet by deffinition contains animal products. If it doesn't contain animal products it's vegan, not vegetarian. Vegetarian diet's are healthy, vegan diet's aren't. See http://www.westonaprice.org

    The cholesterol myth is nonsense too. It wasn't that long ago that a cholesterol level of 240 was considered healthy. Then it was dropped to 220 and now 200. Can anyone point me to the scientific justification for this?

    The conspiricy theory is that the big pharma companies have had the limit arbitarily lowered so as to increase their market and there may be something to this theory. By the way the ALL cause death rate is higher for low cholesterol than for high cholesterol.


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    okay...this is precisely what the OP didn't want to happen...
    Best advice yet...ask your MD...whom none of us are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyG
    Umm, a vegetarian diet by deffinition contains animal products. If it doesn't contain animal products it's vegan, not vegetarian. Vegetarian diet's are healthy, vegan diet's aren't. See http://www.westonaprice.org


    Wrong! Take a look at the definition before you boldly state something.



    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyG
    The cholesterol myth is nonsense too. It wasn't that long ago that a cholesterol level of 240 was considered healthy. Then it was dropped to 220 and now 200. Can anyone point me to the scientific justification for this?

    Don’t know the history of this. Can’t point you in the right direction. Having said that, I don’t see how you can disregard major medical evidence the way you have. Seem foolish.



    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyG
    The conspiricy theory is that the big pharma companies have had the limit arbitarily lowered so as to increase their market and there may be something to this theory. By the way the ALL cause death rate is higher for low cholesterol than for high cholesterol.


    Regards, Anthony

    I won’t even answer this seeing how you can’t spell “conspiracy” or “arbitrarily.”
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    Well, I don't have a PhD and know nothing about amino acids but have been told by three different doctors over the course of my life that I have the best heart and blood they've ever tested. One doctor told me I'd never have a heart attack. I eat whatever I want, love ice cream, pizza, Philly stake subs, roast, steak, bacon, and eggs. Munching on a big bowl of buttered (the real stuff) popcorn right now and might have a couple more before calling it a day. Oh yeah, candy bars and Diet Coke too.

    I'm very healthy, can ride my bike all day, have no allergies, not overweight, and most people think I'm ten years younger than I am. My parents (80's) are all still alive and healthy as horses. Going back further the guys often live to their mid 90's and the gals sometimes even longer.

    So, my point is that genetics play an enormous role in what we can eat and how we respond to diet. For me, I don't like veggies very much so if I had to live on them life would suck. For Comatose it may make a huge difference in his health and energy levels. The advice to seek out a knowledgeable doctor is very good. I'd add that after doing your research and starting the diet listen very carefully to what your body is telling you. If you don't feel so good then maybe the eggs and veggies aren't right for you.

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