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Old 07-26-05, 01:47 AM   #1
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Ice tea

I suppose it's a bad idea to have ice tea in my water bottle instead of plain water, but I don't really know why. So, is it? Why? Problem is I LOVE ice tea!
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No it isn't - I usually have one with iced tea and one with water/gatorade. Why would it be bad? Caffeine is minimal and in any case is not the feared diaretic it once was thought to be - it actually isn't one at all (recent studies documented in various sports mags). It is a mild stimulant (has about 1/2 - 1/3 caffeine of coffee) and keeps fluids in you. If you drink it loaded with sugar it may not be good for you thought.

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No it isn't - I usually have one with iced tea and one with water/gatorade. Why would it be bad? Caffeine is minimal and in any case is not the feared diaretic it once was thought to be - it actually isn't one at all (recent studies documented in various sports mags). It is a mild stimulant (has about 1/2 - 1/3 caffeine of coffee) and keeps fluids in you. If you drink it loaded with sugar it may not be good for you thought.

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Excuse my ignorance. Why is the sugar so bad? Specifically, I stop at a Subway and have Raspberry flavored ice tea. I am sure it has sugar, it is sweet.
This is not an idle question because I frequently do 100 mile training runs in any kind of temperature. I noticed that it matters a lot what I eat and drink.
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I have ice tea after my ride. Love the taste and it is good for the vascular system. I prefer sun tea over brewed tea, but drink both. The Northwestern Memorial Hospital told me that tea was considered a clear liquid, meaning it would count toward the 64 ounces of water I need to consume everyday. Hope this helps.
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The organized ride I did last weekend had sweet tea at one of the pits. I'd never drank it while riding, so I avoided it. I suspect it's a nice option to plain water and 'performance' drinks...
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I have ice tea after my ride. Love the taste and it is good for the vascular system. I prefer sun tea over brewed tea, but drink both. The Northwestern Memorial Hospital told me that tea was considered a clear liquid, meaning it would count toward the 64 ounces of water I need to consume everyday. Hope this helps.
This is all very helpful; thanks everyone! It's so refreshing (pun intended) to discover that something I like is actually good (or at least not bad) for me! And sun tea is what I prefer, too. Drink about a quart a day in the summer. With artificial sweetener. I know, I know -- those chemicals will kill me sooner or later!

Thanks again all who replied!
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Bah, lemonade is still better. And limeade too... Hmmm, can't decide which I like more.
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No liquid is really better for you than plain water, but an unsweetened (or artificially sweetened) decaf tea is better than nothing. I suspect that you're more likely to drink more if you carry tea instead of water, so carry tea instead.

I would try to avoid anything with high-fructose corn syrup in it, however, because it will peak your blood sugar levels and almost certainly have at least some detrimental effect on your ride.

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My wife bought a bag of limes the other day and we've been putting a small wedge in all our water. Makes a HUGE difference.
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Excuse my ignorance. Why is the sugar so bad? Specifically, I stop at a Subway and have Raspberry flavored ice tea. I am sure it has sugar, it is sweet.
This is not an idle question because I frequently do 100 mile training runs in any kind of temperature. I noticed that it matters a lot what I eat and drink.
Nothing in general is wrong with sugar - I use it and like it. My comment was only that if you are loading up your iced tea bottles with sugar and tea, you may be getting more calories, etc. than you want or think you are . . .other than that, and if you know what you want, sugar away!

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No liquid is really better for you than plain water
That may or may not be true, depending upon activity level. If you are losing fluids through sweat, attempting to replace them with too much plain water alone could induce hyponatremia (electrolyte imbalance). In that case, it's really "better" to have a drink containing some sodium, potassium, etc.

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I would try to avoid anything with high-fructose corn syrup in it, however, because it will peak your blood sugar levels and almost certainly have at least some detrimental effect on your ride.
Oh crap, not this again. HFCS is no worse (or better) than plain sugar. Read those fear-inducing studies a little closer and see that the best they can come up with is that overconsumption of HFCS is what "may" cause detrimental effects . . . which could be said of just about any food in existence.

My rhyming contribution to the OP is: Digital Gee, enjoy your tea!
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is there a trick to cleaning water bottles without a dishwasher? seems like filling your bottle with anything other than water could produce bacteria...?
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is there a trick to cleaning water bottles without a dishwasher? seems like filling your bottle with anything other than water could produce bacteria...?
I use a baby bottle brush to make sure I'm getting in all the nooks and crannies. The brush came "for free" with the babies , but they can be had for pretty cheap $$ at most markets that carry baby gear.
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It all boils down to the old saying "all things in moderation". Too much sugar is a bad thing, a little won't hurt you. About any flavoring that will make the water more attractive is good (you'd be surprised what 3 or 4 drops, and I do mean DROPS, of rum will do for a quart of water). I prefer the so called "natural" or "raw" sugar over the processed kind, but I have no scientific basis for this. I just figure that the less man modifies something, the better it will be. In any case, the more you drink, the better off you are. Wouldn't hurt to throw a bottle of gatoraide (or something similar) in from time to time to keep the electrolytes up if you are really sweating for a long time.
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I suppose it's a bad idea to have ice tea in my water bottle instead of plain water, but I don't really know why. So, is it? Why? Problem is I LOVE ice tea!
My wife and I ignored some of the warnings from other forum members and had the following experience.
We used one bottle with sweetened ice tea and one with just water. It was not carefully planned, it just came out that way.
Both bottles were cleaned with brush and plain water but not dishwasher over a one week duration at 90 to 100 degree weather.

The person using the bottle, which had the ice tea, got quite ill to stomach and digestive system. This was within 30 minutes of usage. A smell test confirmed that some bacteria was in that bottle. The same water source was used for the plain water bottle with no ill effect.

I guess we learned the hard way.
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"Caffeine is minimal and in any case is not the feared diaretic it once was thought to be - it actually isn't one at all (recent studies documented in various sports mags)."

I guess it depends, but some tea has more caffeine than coffee and is an exceptional diaretic. I've never had to use the bathroom so many times as I have with tea . . .

BUT if you are riding your bike, especially on hot days, you usually never have to go to the bathroom at all, you sweat like a mother instead. So, even if tea is a diaretic it doesn't matter. And, incidentally, caffeine is perfectly legitimate as a workout energy boost - another sport mag fun fact.
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Speaking of iced tea, I like those tall cans of AriZona iced tea. Snapple is good, too. Are these better /worse for you than Lipton-type teas you brew yourself? Do they have too much sugar in them?
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most of the bottled sweet teas like snapple and arizona contain as much or very close to as much sugar as coke/serving and have very little nutritional value other than that.
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My wife and I ignored some of the warnings from other forum members and had the following experience.
We used one bottle with sweetened ice tea and one with just water. It was not carefully planned, it just came out that way.
Both bottles were cleaned with brush and plain water but not dishwasher over a one week duration at 90 to 100 degree weather.

The person using the bottle, which had the ice tea, got quite ill to stomach and digestive system. This was within 30 minutes of usage. A smell test confirmed that some bacteria was in that bottle. The same water source was used for the plain water bottle with no ill effect.

I guess we learned the hard way.

Sorry, I'm not real clear on what you said there....the one week duration you're talking about...you didn't store the tea in the bottle for a week at 90 degrees did you? If you did, it's a wonder it didn't have mold growing on top of it. I throw tea out if it sets overnight in the refrigerator. I sure wouldn't drink it if it was a week old.

Tip for everyone...in hot weather, smell anything liquid or otherwise before you consume it. God put your nose over your mouth for a reason! And if you forget, and the stuff tastes off, spit, don't swallow!

Please tell me I misunderstood you!
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Sorry, I'm not real clear on what you said there....the one week duration you're talking about...you didn't store the tea in the bottle for a week at 90 degrees did you? If you did, it's a wonder it didn't have mold growing on top of it. I throw tea out if it sets overnight in the refrigerator. I sure wouldn't drink it if it was a week old.

Tip for everyone...in hot weather, smell anything liquid or otherwise before you consume it. God put your nose over your mouth for a reason! And if you forget, and the stuff tastes off, spit, don't swallow!

Please tell me I misunderstood you!
I am embarrassed but feel I have to report for the benefit of others.
We biked one weekend and as I said one bottle was used with a sweetened ice tea. This bottle was emptied but not washed immediately and stored in a car trunk. So residue had to be in it. (I know, it is stupid!)
Next weekend, someone washed both bottles using water and a bottle brush. I guess that cleaning job was not good enough. One person got quite ill. I suspected the water bottle because of this forum thread. You know, it could have been food poisoning or over exertion in this 100 Degree weather.
A smell test, after both bottles were emptied and filled with clean water, revealed a faint but noticeable smell in the bottle which had the ice tea.
Subsequent dishwasher washing got rid of that.
Lesson learned.
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I am embarrassed but feel I have to report for the benefit of others.
We biked one weekend and as I said one bottle was used with a sweetened ice tea. This bottle was emptied but not washed immediately and stored in a car trunk. So residue had to be in it. (I know, it is stupid!)
Next weekend, someone washed both bottles using water and a bottle brush. I guess that cleaning job was not good enough. One person got quite ill. I suspected the water bottle because of this forum thread. You know, it could have been food poisoning or over exertion in this 100 Degree weather.
A smell test, after both bottles were emptied and filled with clean water, revealed a faint but noticeable smell in the bottle which had the ice tea.
Subsequent dishwasher washing got rid of that.
Lesson learned.

Ah, now I get it. It's really nothing to be embarrassed about. These things happen. Super hot water will kill most bacteria, but if some of the gunk was still hiding in the bottle, it still had all the little creepy crawlies in it.
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