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Old 08-15-02, 08:24 AM   #1
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meat is the one complete food

page 90 Wilderness Cookery by Bradford Angier

Meat is the one complete food. Plump fresh meat is the single food known to mankind that contains every nutritional ingredient necessary for good health. It is entirely possible for man to live on meat alone. No particular parts need be eaten. Fat juicy sirloins, if you prefer, will supply you with all the food necessary for top robustness even if you eat nothing else for a week, a month or a decade.

Every animal in the far and near reaches of this continent, every fish that swims in our lakes and rivers and streams is good to eat. Nearly every part of North American animals is edible, even the somewhat bland antlers that are not bad roasted when in velvet, to the bitterish gall that has an occasional use as seasoning. The single exception is the liver of the polar bear, and of the ringed and bearded seal, which at certain times become so rich in Vitamin A that it is well avoided. Juicy fricasseess, succulent stews and sizzling roasts are fine fare.

If anything, most of us would be happy eating more of this ideal grub which contains all the vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients necessary for full vigor. One way to acomplish this? By not passing up the birds and small game which are freely available to many of us thoughout the entire year and which if not eaten will only be wasted.





from Arctic Manual by Vilhjalmuir Steffansson

On a diet of straight meat (and fish), cut fat and lean into inch cubes. Eat one fat, one lean. When fat no longer tastes good, eat just lean until you are full. If fat makes you nauseous you are eating too much of it.

page 34 Calories Don't Count by Dr Herman Taller MD

"The Eskimos he saw were a strong, healthy race and they subsisted on a diet which consisted largely
of meat and animal and marine fat. The fat included large quantities of whale blubber. Yes the Eskimo did not suffer from obesity."

"If meat needs carbohydrate and other vegetable additions to make it wholesome", Staffansson wrote later, "then the poor Eskimo were not eating healthfully .. they should have been in a wretched state. On the contrary, they seems to me the healthiest people I had lived with."
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I think this is a wonderful thread. Mmmmmm meat.
All I can say is that when I see a thread started by Vlad it's the first one I read.
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Old 08-15-02, 09:20 AM   #3
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If you believe that, I can't help you.
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Old 08-15-02, 10:27 AM   #4
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This thread is pure Spam
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page 90 Wilderness Cookery by Bradford Angier

the bitterish gall that has an occasional use as seasoning.

Is "biterish gall" sold under another name? I can't find it in the seasonings section.

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I call bullcrap ...YEs meat has just about everything you need. But it DOESN'T have the vitamins and minerals required in a total diet. You would have to either supplement the meat or eat some veggies and fruit with it.

And about fish eating. I call bull crap again. Go to the great lakes (Ontario) and tell me you would eat the fish swimming in there. They are polluted to hell and back. I wouldn't touch them
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This such incredible BS.

There are no carbohydrates in meat. Carbohydrates come solely from plants and derivatives [milk is the only non-vegatble source of carbohydrates]. You cannot live without carbohydrates. Period. They are the fuel for our bodies. Eat no vegetable matter and you will die in a hypoglycemic coma.
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Not really pertinent to this thread, but interesting--did you know you can starve to death on a diet of wild rabbit? Some survivalists have died of 'rabbit starvation, which is caused by the fact that there isn;t enough fat on a wild bunny (especially in winter) to allow your body to digest the protein.
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Forget the meat - throw in a controversial thread like this one and watch the feeding frenzy. Everyone wants to get in for their bite.
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Not really pertinent to this thread, but interesting--did you know you can starve to death on a diet of wild rabbit? Some survivalists have died of 'rabbit starvation, which is caused by the fact that there isn;t enough fat on a wild bunny (especially in winter) to allow your body to digest the protein.
So, that's my problem!
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meat's no treat for those you eat

A slow transition from the meat-only diet to the beer-only diet should do well i think.

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page 90 Wilderness Cookery by Bradford Angier

Meat is the one complete food. Plump fresh meat is the single food known to mankind that contains every nutritional ingredient necessary for good health. It is entirely possible for man to live on meat alone. No particular parts need be eaten. Fat juicy sirloins, if you prefer, will supply you with all the food necessary for top robustness even if you eat nothing else for a week, a month or a decade.
Apparently, Bradford Angier ate other things, too--

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...842458-9177530

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I much as I like meat (rare please not high heat which creates carcenagines and preferably grassfed)I can not tolerate much of it without vegatables or fruit (must be the added antioxidents ,Vit.&min.and alkaline to balance out the "harshness of the meat(not saying meat has no antioxidents or v&m's) however I know we are all different as to which foods we tolerate best.
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page 118 Calories Don't Count Dr Herman Taller MD

Protein is a combination of chemical substances called amino acids. While protein, like a carbohydrate, contains molecules of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen, protein also contains nitrogen. The element nitrogen, which is essential to life, is not present in carbohydrates.
the body breaks down protein you consume through food into carboihydrates and into notrogen. This protein breakdown, as you remember, is one source of carbohydrates, and the typical American diet is so rich in protein that many of us could probably subsist without eating any carbohydrates at all. (I am not recommending that you try. I am only pointing out that whereas you could not live without protein, you could live, perhaps quite comfortably , without eating any sugars or starches.)

If the body turns protein into carbohydrate, you may wonder, won't it run into the problem of pyruvic acid? Won't obese people, in whom pyruvic acid turns to fat, get into as much weight trouble eating protein as they do eating carbohydrates? The answer, fortunately, is no. You can eat too much protein, just as you can eat too much carbohydrate, but practically you are unlikely to. Your appetite is far better at regulating your protein intake than it is at regulating your carbohydrate intake. The problem of your eating so much protein that the body, in breaking down the protein, becomes oversupplied with carbohydrates is pretty much nonexistent.

Physiologists estimate that the body can use one gram of protein for every kilogram of bodyweight. Translating this into mores meaningful terms, a 150-pounde can handle about 70 proteins grams a day. Two normal slices of good lean beef supply only 28 grams of protein. In practice a 150-pounder is not likely to exceed his 70 grams very often or by very much.

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Bradford Angier's area of expertise was self-sufficiency and survival in the wilderness... not nutrition. It sounds like the other authors are not necessarily documenting "high performance nutrition," either.

Take all dietary advice with a grain of salt. (sorry. I couldn't resist.)
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My 2 cents:

If you eat meat exclusively you will die young, this I promise you. Not only that, you will probably die of some kind of painful bowel disease. It's not worth it. Eat your veggies.

It's true that the body controls its protein intake more closely than it does its carb and fat intake. It is an odd phenomenon, but it is hard to eat more than 50g of protein everyday for days on end (unless you hammer protein shakes). I believe this is because excreting excess protein (usu. anything over 0.5mg/kg, even for body builders) is HARD on your kidneys...this becomes more of an issue as you get older.

As for carbs, we Westerners eat waaaay too much as it is. The good ol' food pyramid we learned as kids has more to do with subsidizing grain farmers than actual nutrition, IMHO. For example, the Atkins diet works by eliminating ALL carbs and replacing them with protein and fat; and for the dedicated, it is a sustainable diet.

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Egg is a complete food, in fact it is far more assimilable than meat,
as well as a complete protein.
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Sorry no sources to quote but I seem to recall reading that the Aocado pear is the one food you could survive for longest on without suffering deficiencies. I don't think meat has everything you need, but being a vegetarian maybe I'm predjudiced.

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