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Old 11-18-05, 03:59 AM   #1
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Foods to absolutely avoid

What foods would you absolutely avoid as being detrimental to training health. I personally avoid fast food, most pizza (too much crappy cheese), pork most of the time and anything really salty but I can't avoid sugar. It follows me.
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Old 11-18-05, 05:50 AM   #2
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Well, I think there is no food you should absolutely avoid unless it is poisonous. I think the thing most people don't understand is moderation.
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Old 11-18-05, 07:46 AM   #3
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Anything with hydrogenated/trans fat or high fructose corn syrup. I don't think there's any room for consuming these substances, even "in moderation". (That said, nobody's perfect and accidentally consuming a little is better than intentionally consuming a lot.)
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Personally, I'm a fat and fructose burning engine from over 7 years of endurance training! I have no qualms at age almost-48 eating a Big Mac or two chased by a caffeine laden cola on a long ride. My last physical, my total cholesterol was in the mid 140s with an LDL in the 60s. Since age 40, when I started running, I dropped 50 pounds.

So, ditto to what tekhna proposed.
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What foods would you absolutely avoid as being detrimental to training health. I personally avoid fast food, most pizza (too much crappy cheese), pork most of the time and anything really salty but I can't avoid sugar. It follows me.
If you are training, salt = electrolytes and sugar = carbohydrates = energy to burn.

Avoid pork? Surely you jest.
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Porkfat rules.
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What foods would you absolutely avoid as being detrimental to training health. I personally avoid fast food, most pizza (too much crappy cheese), pork most of the time and anything really salty but I can't avoid sugar. It follows me.
It's not so much the type of food that you have to avoid, it's the amount that's important. Sugar, white-bread, dirty-rice, complex-carbs, whole-grains all end up as glucose on the other side of the intestinal walls once it's absorbed. The issue is how much you eat and how quickly you absorb it. High-GI foods are actually good after a ride for quick recovery and preventing muscle-loss. At other times you'll want low-GI foods. Overall, you don't want to eat more than you burn off, that's really the important part (unless you're a bodybuilder or sumo-wrestler going for weight gain).

And during rides, you'll want to be taking in about 1000mg of salt and electrolytes per hour, which may sound like an obscene amount to people who aren't used to exercising. But that's really just keeping up with the amount you sweat away.

So in nutritional terms, you want to be aware that eating for fitness and training for fitness-improvement requires a different diet than couch-potatos trying to lose weight.
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Old 11-18-05, 10:12 AM   #8
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I generally try to avoid fast food, fried food, and caloried sodas. Other than that, I just watch my portions and make sure that I'm eating plenty of veggies and fruit.
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I try to avoid food that's past it's expiration date.

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Old 11-18-05, 10:38 AM   #10
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Why the downer on Pizza and "crappy" cheese. There is nothing wrong with proper cheese (as opposed to preservative and colouring-enhanced factory cheeze).
Bread, tomatoes, olive oil, herbs, bufallo cheese are all vital components of a well balanced diet.
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Old 11-18-05, 11:20 AM   #11
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I don't deliberately try to avoid any foods ... and I also think moderation is the key.

So often researchers come out with some sort of recommendations saying that this is bad for you and that is bad for you, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon for a while, and then they discover that whatever it was isn't as bad as everyone thought after all.

Take eggs for example. At one time it was recommended to remove eggs from your diet all together because getting anywhere near an egg would triple your cholesterol level and strike you dead within a week. But now they realize that perspective was wrong, and they are saying to eat eggs in moderation - like 2 a day.

Then there's the other side of the coin where researchers tell people to eat something because it will reduce their cholesterol levels and be good for them, but then they discover that maybe it isn't after all. Take oatbran for example. For a while oatbran muffins were all the rage because someone said that oatbran would reduce cholesterol. I was working in a place that sold muffins at the time and suddenly we added oatbran muffins to the menu and they were a hit! But then they discovered that a person would have to eat something like 50 muffins a day to get the required amount of oatbran to reduce their cholesterol ... and if you're consuming 50 fairly high calorie muffins each day ... you will likely end up with a whole lot of other problems!!

You've probably heard that consuming Vit E and Folic acid are good things to do ... well, now they have come out with studies that perhaps we shouldn't be consuming as much of those as what was once recommended.

And don't get me started on all the fad diets out there!!

The thing is, every time you pick up a magazine or newspaper, there's another article saying that this is bad for you and this is good for you ... and 3 months later, that's all changed again.

IMO, we're all going to die eventually anyway. Something is going to kill us. If it isn't our diet, it'll be a semi running us over, or a hereditary heart disease, or cancer from working in a smoke-filled restaurant from our younger days, or genetics, or old age. So I figure the best way to approach diet is to eat as well-balanced a diet as possible (refer to things like the Canada food guide), keeping moderation in mind, and treat yourself to yummy stuff now and then!


That said, there are two foods I find pack on the pounds for me: Costco muffins and a bag of microwave popcorn. Both have about 700 calories in them, and I barely have to glance at them and I start gaining weight. There was one winter, before I knew how high in calories they are, where I was eating one or the other, or sometimes both every day - the muffin was for lunch and the popcorn was for an evening snack. Plus, there was supper, and coffee-break snack and so on. I packed on 25 lbs that winter!! That's something I'm trying very hard to avoid repeating.
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That said, there are two foods I find pack on the pounds for me: Costco muffins and a bag of microwave popcorn. Both have about 700 calories in them, and I barely have to glance at them and I start gaining weight. There was one winter, before I knew how high in calories they are, where I was eating one or the other, or sometimes both every day - the muffin was for lunch and the popcorn was for an evening snack. Plus, there was supper, and coffee-break snack and so on. I packed on 25 lbs that winter!! That's something I'm trying very hard to avoid repeating.
I enjoy popcorn, but I don't eat it very often. When I do, I eat the no-butter microwave kind, only has ~300 calories for the whole bag.

I agree with everything in your post though. People get too caught up on the latest fad and miracle advice. Like everyone else has said, moderation is key.
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Things I say NEVER consume:
1. Soda/softdrinks
2. Trans-fats (watch some of the "healthy" bread labels)
3. Fast food

Otherwise you're fine in moderation.


Cheese is actually good for you. It has some fat, lots of calcium etc. It's only bad if you eat too much.
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Old 11-18-05, 02:48 PM   #14
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1. Donuts. You take something that's already bad for you and then deep-fry it in oil.

2. Suateed vegatables. I used to eat a lot of them thinking they were good for me, but in reality they are very bad for you.
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Foods that make me woozy . . .

I've observed lately that chocolate and red wine make me wake up with a sore throat and stuffy nose so I am now avoiding them

donuts make me woozy
anything fried makes me very happy for about 45 minutes, then I feel like I am going to pass out
dairy queen butterscotch dipped cones . . . make me woozy and feel like I need a nap about 2 hours after
white flour pancakes . . .
Doritos, Pringles . . . or any of those addictive chips make me feel lousy for about 4 days

Anytime I eat too much sugar . . . like a heavily frosted cake for example . . . I get a headache.

I agree everything in moderation, but it seems the more careful I am the less it takes, or perhaps it's just my awareness is higher now. When I haven't had the bad stuff, my body doesn't miss it. When I have it my system I am kind of happy at first, but then it responds the way Spurlock's did in Supersize Me after his first splurge.

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Well, I think there is no food you should absolutely avoid unless it is poisonous. I think the thing most people don't understand is moderation.
Pretty much aced it right off the blocks. Things wouldn't be considered edible if they had strongly negative effects. I guess alcohol might fall in between the cracks though.
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Pretty much aced it right off the blocks. Things wouldn't be considered edible if they had strongly negative effects. I guess alcohol might fall in between the cracks though.
"Strongly Negative" is the key phrase here.

Any number of foods can have a negative effect that stay under the radar but their effect builds up over time. Perfectly healthy foods such as potato's, tomato's, peppers, eggplants(aubergenes) and capsicums belong to the family of plants called nightshades. There great foods for many but I can't tolerate them.

Any way I would alway's reccomend avoiding "Frankenfoods"

Hydrogenated/transfats and ANY food that contains them is on the top of the avoid list. They encourage a lot of free radical damage which builds up over time. HFCS is right up there as a frankenfood. Artificial sweeteners are also on my "Not in this lifetime" list.

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OK. So suggest a pre-ride breakfast before i go out for a couple of hours this morning,30-35 miles. What should i eat and how long before i ride? Most the time i have waffles or cereal an hour-hour and a half before i go and i'll eat an engery bar an hour into my ride. During the workweek i ride and hour and a half 4 days and try to eat apple sauce and oranges an hour before i ride.
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I only stay away from foods that I don't like the taste of. Such as broccoli. Or liver. Or swiss cheese. And I don't drink anything alcoholic. Otherwise, I eat like a roach and I'm doing OK.
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OK. So suggest a pre-ride breakfast before i go out for a couple of hours this morning,30-35 miles. What should i eat and how long before i ride? Most the time i have waffles or cereal an hour-hour and a half before i go and i'll eat an engery bar an hour into my ride. During the workweek i ride and hour and a half 4 days and try to eat apple sauce and oranges an hour before i ride.
That's fine, try to eat a banana or two as well.
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I'm another "moderation" guy myself. You're kidding yourself if you think avoiding things like high fructose corn syrup puts you on some higher plane of fitness, while still eating other sugars.

Lots of foods and specific ingredients get bad press, but if you read beyond the headlines, the reason is almost always overconsumption. Having them -- even the "truly awful" ones like trans-fats -- in moderation is not detrimental. The problem is that people get carried away: both in eating things and being scared about eating things.

As such, I'd say there are no foods to absolutely avoid. But you should understand what is in the foods you do eat, and moderate properly.
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If you don't eat... you will die...
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If it is lower than me on the food chain it is fair game. If it is higher than me on the food chain all the better. I draw the line at other primates though.
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Some "slow" foods will take you out as quickly, or even more quickly, than "fast" foods and you don't have a drive up window option
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SandySwimmer's list is pretty much my list. Pancakes will make me feel so lurgey. Blah! Just thinking about them makes my stomach churn a bit. Ditto donuts

Okay, choccy and red wine don't bother me, but I don't have either of them often enough to really count.
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