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Old 01-12-06, 06:53 PM   #1
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I will turn 30 in june, and on Jan 1st 2006 I weighed in at 282 pounds at 6'3" tall. I have been riding for about a year and a half and love it. Believe it or not, I am pretty good on the bike; I regularly do 30 - 40 mile rides both solo and with a local club. However... I am so sick and tired of barely keeping up in group rides because of my weight... if I were 200 pounds, I would be able to use my leg strength to blow everyone away. EVERYONE!!!!

This year I will eliminate 83 pounds of disgusting FAT from my body. I will weigh in every sunday morning, and post my results. On 01/08/2006 I weighed in at 272.4 (9.6 lbs loss for first week) I'm not really excited about loosing that much because that was just the normal big drop when starting a diet...

I am not looking for advice or even support, I just want to be able to publicly post my results each week. If I gain a pound I will have to deal with the the unpleasant task of posting it... Everyone will know.

If you ARE going to loose a significant amount of weight this year, I encourage you to use this thread to post your own numbers. If you do this, the only thing I ask is that you stay 100% commited to posting your weekly results every Sunday morning. This is not a social event, nor is it a game. My future is in my hands... now is the time.

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i'm in.i started a diet on jan 1st weighing slightly more than 300 lbs.I couldnt tell you how much more because my digital scale wont go over 299.5 lbs,but almost 2 weeks later i'm in the low 280s.Ive been doing atkins but it is real hard to stay on.How are you losing the weight mike?a diet or just a healthy way of eating?this will keep me honest and thinking about my diet.
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welcome mgilman. I am doing a basic low carb diet... My main focus is to avoid carbs, and eat reasonably sized meals... and of course RIDE!!! You need to post exact numbers going forward... do you know exactly what you weighed on 01/08 (sunday?) If not, start posting exact numbers on Sunday morning.

With all due respect, I do not want to hear about how hard it is to stay on the diet in this thread. This is not the time for excuses or complaining. You can either be fat for the rest of your life, or make the change.

Good Luck, look forward to your future posts.

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Good luck to you Mike..

There is that old saying that you wake up one day and your sick and tired of feeling sick and tired..
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You do a low carb diet, and you will always have the weight problem.

I'm a nutritionist (certified). In fact, I'm doing a wellness seminar for the government building I work in today, so this will be my warm up.

In the 1980s, Americans first got into the calorie counting craze... they figured if they counted calories, they could lose weight. Well, it didn't work, and we got fatter.

In the 1990s, Americans got into counting fat. Remember- it was all about keeping your fat content low, and all these fat free and reduced fat foods came out onto the market (remember Olestra?). Well, it didn't work, and we got even fatter.

At the turn of the century, suddenly, it was all about Atkins. Restricting carbs. Increasing protein. Well, guess what? Today, Americans are fatter than they've ever been.

It still amazes me that people will do anything but what they should do to drop weight. There's little or no concern for body fat- only getting on a scale and going "whoopee" when they can take off 10 pounds in a week.

The fact of the matter is, when you restrict one component of nutrition, other components of nutrition will increase. In the case of Atkins, when you decrease the carbs, fat intake increases. Add in the fact that eating carbs is a protein-sparing effect; in other words, when you eat carbs, it spares proteins from being broken down and used as a primary fuel source. What drives energy (ATP) production requires either fatty acids (from carbohydrates) or amino acids (from proteins). You can eat all the protein in the world, but excess protein will be stored as fat.

So when you do eat your carbs, they are digested, and the simplest glucose molecule created drives the krebs cycle, which produces ATP. In optimal situations, stored fat is broken down and also used to drive krebs cycle too, but when you're not that efficient, it will not be as optimal... but the more you drive the Krebs cycle, the more fat you're using for the body's homeostasis anyway, which is what you want. Right?

So why do people on Atkins lose so much weight? Partly because it's water weight lost. The other, larger and more detrimental part of Atkins is the muscle loss. Because the protein sparing effect of carbs is lost when you deprive yourself of carbs to produce ATP, your muscle will be used as the primary fuel source. Remember- excess protein eaten will be stored as fat or digested and lost in the urine.

Besides that though, you still have the problem of not having enough of the necessary source to produce enough ATP to get through your workout. So you'll end up feeling sluggish, and you'll not be able to keep up with your buddies on group rides, since you'll be running low on ATP long before the ride ends. So your riding will suffer. Is that what you're looking to do?

If you want to drop fat, you'll have to learn to eat correctly- learn about portion sizes, play around with what you eat to figure out how many calories you'll need to continue burning fat optimally and still achieve the end result. Plus, you don't want to lose weight quickly- your body will rebound as soon as you get off that diet and start packing the pounds on, and you may (most likely) end up right back where you are within a year or so, and you may even end up fatter than before. The body is resiliant, and if you subject it to stress, it will adapt and figure out ways to ensure if you try that stress again, it'll be ready to adapt to it and keep you at the fat it's used to being at. You could also open yourself up for problems over the long haul with your health- increased chance of kidney stones and/or colon cancer.

Long term, slow weight loss due to good eating habits and exercise is the only real proven method. This low carb crap is just that- crap.

Koffee

P.S. I wouldn't recommend weighing in every week either- it may take time to work off that much fat... and if you're doing weight training and strength training, you may not see the changes on the scale that quickly. I highly recommend doing a body fat composition with calibers, and doing it about every 2- 3 months instead. If you really have to see some kind of measurable results, get a tape measure and measure your arms, legs and waist instead. You can do that every 3 weeks.
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koffee,

I really don't understand why you felt it necessary to go into a big explanation showing all the different things I am doing wrong here... if you refer back to my origional post i specificly said that I did not want dieting advice. I have absolutely no interest in your opinion on how to loose weight. If you are a certified nutritionalist, than that is the problem right there... that tells me that you have had formal education on the subject. If you don't understand what I mean by that, ask somebody.

Your dieting advice is a distraction that I will not allow. Thanks anyway.

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I'm sorry if you don't want to hear it, and I'm sorry if you want to take the easy way out- I simply thought by giving you some "food for thought" while it's still early in your plan, you can make some adjustments so that instead of having a short term, temporary weight loss, you can have a lifelong lifestyle adjustment that leads to successful, safe, effective, permenant weight loss.

I guess if that's NOT what you want, then crash diet to your heart's content. Then next year, when the weight is back on, come back to your thread, re-read through my post, make your changes, and check back.

Next time, better for you to frame your post as "I'm doing a fad diet. Leave me alone". Then I won't bother either.

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... If you are a certified nutritionalist, than that is the problem right there... that tells me that you have had formal education on the subject. If you don't understand what I mean by that, ask somebody.



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Here, Koffee... This can come in handy for you....

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koffee,

I really don't understand why you felt it necessary to go into a big explanation showing all the different things I am doing wrong here... if you refer back to my origional post i specificly said that I did not want dieting advice. I have absolutely no interest in your opinion on how to loose weight. If you are a certified nutritionalist, than that is the problem right there... that tells me that you have had formal education on the subject. If you don't understand what I mean by that, ask somebody.

Your dieting advice is a distraction that I will not allow. Thanks anyway.

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Mike if you didn't want people chiming in the you shouldn't put it on the net. You want us to help by watching you lose weight, so that you will be accountable to us. But then say that you don't want feedback. Get a blog if that's what you're looking for, not an online forum. if you didn't want to listen to her advice, then don't. But don't get angry when someone puts up a post about your thread.
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Mike if you didn't want people chiming in the you shouldn't put it on the net. You want us to help by watching you lose weight, so that you will be accountable to us. But then say that you don't want feedback. Get a blog if that's what you're looking for, not an online forum. if you didn't want to listen to her advice, then don't. But don't get angry when someone puts up a post about your thread.
Barleyrocket,

I don't in any way shape or form mind anyone chiming in! When people post specific opinions saying that I am doing everything wrong, and that their "educated" opinion is the only way to go.... that is different. That is a distraction. Does anyone understand what I am trying to say here???


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If you are a certified nutritionalist, than that is the problem right there... that tells me that you have had formal education on the subject. If you don't understand what I mean by that, ask somebody.
Just not somebody who might actually understand what they are talking about. You know, like someone with... oh, I don't know... A FORMAL EDUCATION?
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Mike - In your OP. you said <quote> I am not looking for advice or even support, I just want to be able to publicly post my results each week</quote>. how is that congruent with your response to me <quote> I don't in any way shape or form mind anyone chiming in!> You don't get to pick and choose on a public forum. Put it on a blog. I do wish you the best of luck in your endevour. but not I guess I'm not getting what you mean from reading your posts.
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Four years ago I weighed 280lbs and had tried many diets with no long term results. I bought a cheap mountain bike and started riding.

Four year later I'm at 220-225lbs and in the best shape I've been in for 30 years. My experience is that as my fitness improved, my diet changed. This is the opposite of what most people are trying to do.

Oh ya, I also became a victim of bike lust and just got a new Litespeeed Ultimate to go with my CX and touring rides.
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please don't hijack this thread with diet debates.... that is not what it is all about. if you want to debate diets.... here you go. Certified Nutritionalist
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Last winter my sister in law and I both started trying to lose weight. She went to the gym and did low carb, I simply started riding my bike.

A year later and she's lost about 5 lbs altogether. I've lost 40.

I talked to my doctor and came up with my diet/fitness plan. His thoughts were very simple and easily paraphrased. Get your heart rate up, stay away from fad diets, and simply make sure that more calories go out than come in. You will lose weight.

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I know for me, what worked was starting to bicycle regularly, 4-5 days a week, about 20-40 miles a day. I basicaly limited the meats to Chicken, never fried. Only used olive oil if ever and then an excessive amoun of Potatoes and vegies. All the GOOD carbs and a little bit of bread and tofu as well. Still ate fat, just not an exess of it. Well From August 2004 to March 2005 I dropped from 230 to 170. After that I stopped counting calories, threw out the scale and being real anal about what I ate, I just was careful to continue bicycling and eating right (with 2 days of weights a week thrown in) - which part of that became eating a loaf of Whole Wheat homade bread a day, just becasue I bicycle so much now- and now, as of two weeks ago when I bought another scale out of curiosity, I am now down to 158 and feel great. Just eat a ton of Whole grains, beans and vegis. But then again, what do I know.
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... if I were 200 pounds, I would be able to use my leg strength to blow everyone away. EVERYONE!!!!
Good luck with your weight loss, but you may want to tone down the cockiness. Even when you lose all the weight you want, there will still be plenty of people out there much faster than you.
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I can tell you over the last 30 years I tried it all! Low fat, Atkins, Grapefruit, ad nauseaum. I finally focused on a balanced diet with exercise on the bike augmented with workouts at the gym. What I achieved was losing over 100 pounds in about 1 1/2 years time, and kept it off for over a year so far. I learned a number of things as well.

The fad diets did work, but they didn't last and once I stopped the routine, and the weight just shot up. From my experience it seems that the best approach is to adopt a lifestyle that would never change. That is to say, what I had been eating during the weight loss is exactly what I'm still eating now. No more, no less. I simply targeted a weight, then roughly determined how many calories would maintain that weight. From there I kept my fat/carb/protein balanced to about 25/50/25 and the calories about 2000. When exercising I used a heartrate monitor that, while not completely accurate, was close enough to determine what additional calories I needed after working out. And most important, I kept a food diary. Every calorie that when into my mouth was commited to paper (I still do that now).

Not just biking but cross training in the gym not only improved my weight loss, but I could use certain equipment that would focus on specific muscle groups. The results made the hills easier, the flats faster and my endurance incredibly longer. Overall exercise got a LOT easier as I got lighter and stronger. And I mean easier to the extent that particular rides that completely winded me before, now have me barely breaking a sweat.

Of course, these results are my own, your mileage may vary, and I look forward to reading about your progress.
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Hi Mike,

I appreciate what you're trying to do here, and I hope you do great!

I'm 9 years older than you are, but in a very similar situation. I'm about 55 lbs above my target weight, and I too think it's a great idea to chart progress publicly, so I'll subscribe to this thread and post my numbers, too.

I won't debate you on methods, but I will offer encouragement. Maybe even a (fairly) gentle kick in the *** now and then if you'd like. You can do the same for me maybe?

I'm also posting my results on a blog: http://budster-fitness.blogspot.com/

Well, let's do this thing!

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When people post specific opinions saying that I am doing everything wrong, and that their "educated" opinion is the only way to go.... that is different. That is a distraction. Does anyone understand what I am trying to say here???
Oh yeah, wait till you post a riding question to the A&S forums!

Seriously, good luck, I know what you mean. Other folks mean well, but they don't realize how hard it is to stick to a plan when everyone tells you a 'better way' to do things. I think you'll do fine.

As for myself, I think I've found the secret to losing about 15 pounds of ugly fat in seconds...I finally convinced myself to give it a try, so I am going out in the morning to buy what I need to do it...

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...but not you, bra! Mahalo!
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Four years ago I weighed 280lbs and had tried many diets with no long term results. I bought a cheap mountain bike and started riding.

Four year later I'm at 220-225lbs and in the best shape I've been in for 30 years. My experience is that as my fitness improved, my diet changed. This is the opposite of what most people are trying to do.

Oh ya, I also became a victim of bike lust and just got a new Litespeeed Ultimate to go with my CX and touring rides.
Thus proving that no good deed goes unpunished!
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Welcome budster! you are a breath of fresh air in this thread!!! Post your numbers as soon as you can!

Sprocketman.... I will race you right now!!!!
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...but not you, bra! Mahalo!
That's a given. We run at a slower speed here in the islands - you've lived here so you know.
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