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Old 07-29-06, 02:19 PM   #1
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Soy or Whey Protein for wound healing?

My bladder surgery wound is not healing properly and had to be reopened a week ago . It is healing very slow so the doctor yesterday reccomended I take on extra protein to promote healing. I went to GNC this morning and they had SOY based protein and Whey(animal base) protein. Any ideas on which would better promote healing? ( I bought both)

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Old 07-29-06, 02:54 PM   #2
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Hammer nutrition has some literature on it on their site
From memory I think they recomend whey for post exercise, and soy for during exercise.
Then again, it is marketing literature, but it may have some truth to it.

http://www.e-caps.com/za/ECP?PAGE=AR...ance%20Library

" We recommend a combination of both soy and whey protein, used at separate times, to provide the most comprehensive support for an endurance athlete's diet. We believe that whey protein is the premier protein for recovery and enhanced immune system function while soy protein is ideal for fulfilling protein requirements prior to and during endurance exercise. That doesn't mean using soy protein for recovery purposes would be "wrong" or in any way harmful. For optimal benefits though, you'll not find a better protein for recovery and immune system boosting than whey protein"
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What medications are you on? There are a number that can slow wound healing. COX-2 inhibitors, statins, and red wine to name a few.

Soy is best.
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I personally think Soy is a bad protein for men. Check out this article:

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=185soy2

O f the two you have I would take the Whey.

Now which should you take? I will refer you to:

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...plements.htm#1

You could read the entire article of just click on Protein Supplements.
Personally I do not believe it is in your best interest to take just one type of protein, whether it is egg, whey, casein protein, etc. I believe in a protein powder that is a MIX or BLEND of proteins to incorporate dietary "fast and slow" proteins (casein is slowly digested, whey is quickly digested).

Personally I use MetRx if I can’t get my favorite, which is the ProPeptide by Dorian Yates. Another reason I recommend the ProPeptide is it has Probiotic organisms, "friendly bacteria", to help keep your digestive system functioning. If you’re on antibiotics, this should help.

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I'd be very skeptical of any protein promoting healing. That assumes you are not getting adequate protein in your diet which would be very unusual as even vegetarians get enough and the average American gets too much. Doctors are not trained in nutrition or physical fitness. Most of their information comes from the food industry in the form of free literature similar to how the drug makers "inform" the doctors.

Additionally, there's a lot of protein folklore out there partly due to protein promotion by the beef/chicken industry. Protein supplements are still good sellers, but not as much as in the past.

By the way, the third leading cause of death in the US after Heart Disease and Cancer, is Medical Care. You might consider a second opinion. My wife had a poorly healling foot after an operation and got a second opinion and found it was an infection.

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Tell us some more about your diet and what is going on.
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I personally think Soy is a bad protein for men. Check out this article:

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=185soy2
You can probably ignore that. The estrogen mimic in soy is found in extremely low amounts, you'd have to eat huge amounts of soy product for it to affect your natural levels. Actually, I'd be surprised if you can find it at all in an isolate, any more than you'll find cholesterol or milk sugars in a whey protein isolate. And yes, men produce estrogen too, and no estrogen does not counteract testosterone. Estrogen is critical for bone and cartilege mass, testosterone for muscle and some for bone. You don't want to be lacking in either. But consuming soy products is a trivial contributor and isn't going to affect men's estrogen levels noticably. You'd need to extract the mimic itself for that. (Assuming it functions correctly.)
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...ticlekey=61297
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You can probably ignore that. [/url]
Yup, you can ignore it. It has got more ways of being wrong than
anything ought to.

Having said that, I usually get milk protein because it's cheap and makes
a good shake.
http://proteinfactory.com/store/prod...products_id=50
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