Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Training & Nutrition Learn how to develop a training schedule that's good for you. What should you eat and drink on your ride? Learn everything you need to know about training and nutrition here.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-15-06, 08:59 PM   #1
nickf829
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Luray, Va
Bikes: 05 Fuji Team
Posts: 132
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Soy vs. Regular milk

not much more to add.. im looking for benefits of soy vs regular milk, if any? i drink skim milk usually but have tried soy lately and its not to bad. also theres a "light soy chocolate milk" that tastes awesome.


any input?
nickf829 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-06, 10:13 AM   #2
umd
Banned
 
umd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Bikes: Specialized Tarmac SL2, Specialized Tarmac SL, Giant TCR Composite, Specialized StumpJumper Expert HT
Posts: 28,387
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I like Vitasoy light chocolate ok but I found I wasn't go though it fast enough before it would go bad. I end up just always using vanilla Vitasoy 'Complete' as a base for everything and adding flavoring as desired. One thing I like about soy milk is that you can buy a bunch of the shelf stable stuff and not have to keep a lot of milk in the fridge; just pop them in as needed...

Oh yeah I should add that my wife like Hood 'Carb Countdown' chocolate milk. I think they may have renamed it to 'Calorie Countdown'. Anyway, less calories & carbs than regular or light soy chocolate, but thicker and creamier. I think it tastes pretty good but I usually just let her have it to herself.
umd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-06, 11:29 AM   #3
AnimalMachine
Clueless
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: San Diego, CA
Bikes: Diamondback Sorrento
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Define 'regular'. Whole milk? 2%? Skim? The disadvantage of whole milk is probably obvious - twice as much fat. Another benefit I see is that you don't risk ingesting hormones that were pumped into the cow to increase production way above normal.

Lowers cholesterol and heart disease risk: http://www.healthcastle.com/benefitsofsoy_heart.shtml

Other misc. soy benefits: http://www.soyinfo.com/benefits.shtml

Hope this doesn't seem too preachy. It's my first post here because I'm such a bike noob that I rarely get into a thread I can contribute to.
AnimalMachine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-06, 11:36 AM   #4
nedgoudy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Glendora, CA USA
Bikes: Easy Racers EZ-1 and Lightning Thunderbolt Recumbent Bikes
Posts: 364
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I buy skim milk and put soy
or preferrably WHEY protein powder
in it. See the website at:
http://www.wheyoflife.org
for details on the many, many
health benefits of whey protein
powder.

Soy milk is too expensive for
my taste and doesn't have
enough amino acid content.
nedgoudy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-06, 11:44 AM   #5
AnimalMachine
Clueless
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: San Diego, CA
Bikes: Diamondback Sorrento
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Yea, non-animal sources of protien - like soy - usually have less complete amino profiles.
AnimalMachine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-06, 12:14 PM   #6
slowandsteady
Faster but still slow
 
slowandsteady's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Jersey
Bikes: Trek 830 circa 1993 and a Fuji WSD Finest 1.0 2006
Posts: 5,979
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Define 'regular'. Whole milk? 2%? Skim? The disadvantage of whole milk is probably obvious - twice as much fat. Another benefit I see is that you don't risk ingesting hormones that were pumped into the cow to increase production way above normal.
Soy milk has just as much fat as whole milk unless you get the lower fat versions which seem to have just come out.

Generally speaking cows may be given oxytocin to help them "let down" the milk.

But soy isn't innocent either. It has phytoestrogens which may have an effect on men. Ever notice all of those Soy Menopause products geared to women with hot flashes? Yup, its the phytoestrogens in soy that help with hot flashes the same way Premarin (conjugated estrogen) helps with hot flashes.
slowandsteady is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-06, 03:45 PM   #7
AnimalMachine
Clueless
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: San Diego, CA
Bikes: Diamondback Sorrento
Posts: 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The soy milk in my fridge has 4g of fat (0g trans) per 8 fl. oz., and it isn't marked as a low-fat version.

According to http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/, whole milk has 7.93g of fat per 8 fl. oz.
AnimalMachine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-06, 10:58 PM   #8
oboeguy
34x25 FTW!
 
oboeguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: NYC
Bikes: Kona Jake, Scott CR1, Dahon SpeedPro
Posts: 6,013
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The right light chocolate soy milk is like liquid crack. Good stuff.
oboeguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-06, 11:07 PM   #9
desmo13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 317
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I have to have both. Normal milk, and soy chocolate milk.
desmo13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-06, 04:19 AM   #10
Univega
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Long Island, New York
Bikes: Univega Modo Volare (2001)
Posts: 528
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by slowandsteady
Soy milk has just as much fat as whole milk unless you get the lower fat versions which seem to have just come out.

Generally speaking cows may be given oxytocin to help them "let down" the milk.

But soy isn't innocent either. It has phytoestrogens which may have an effect on men. Ever notice all of those Soy Menopause products geared to women with hot flashes? Yup, its the phytoestrogens in soy that help with hot flashes the same way Premarin (conjugated estrogen) helps with hot flashes.
I agree. I have never been wild about soy as a protein source. If you want regular milk and avoid the additives, try organic milk. Yes, it is more expensive.
Univega is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-06, 02:55 PM   #11
RiotBoi
bificurated
 
RiotBoi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Bikes: Cannondale 3.0 Criterium
Posts: 218
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by nedgoudy

Soy milk is too expensive for
my taste .

Where have you been shopping? I've NEVER paid more for soy then regular. Normally I pay 1.09 for a quart of the non refridgerated fortified kind versus 1.99 for a quart of whole milk.

+1 on anything organic
RiotBoi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-06, 05:13 PM   #12
Michigander
Senior Member
 
Michigander's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Bikes: Giant ATX 1200, Schwinn Peleton
Posts: 1,724
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 119 Post(s)
I love soy milk and rice milk. Regular milk makes me phlematic.
__________________
Bring back the Sig Test!


(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
Michigander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-06, 05:33 PM   #13
late
Senior Member
 
late's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Southern Maine
Bikes:
Posts: 8,416
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1289 Post(s)
Sigh,
you beat the tar out of BS and old wive's tales and 5 minutes later
the same foolishness is back.

Soy milk is fine, just beware most have lots of added sugar. I buy an unsweetened variety; but they sneak a little sugar into that as well.
Here is an analysis
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-B00001-01c218l.html
Americans get plenty of protein, so the fact that this protein is
not quite perfect is basically irrelevant. In any case you can easily
up the protein rating by having a grain product like cereal or bread with the milk.



Milk is also good, if fatty. I usually get a protein fortified skim milk.
http://www.hphood.com/products/prodDetail.aspx?id=357
You prob have something like this available.

In general, cyclists don't need to worry about protein. You should take advantage of the glycogen window that happens for 20 minutes after you stop
exercising; but other than that it's not a big deal. Just drink what you like.
late is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-06, 06:58 PM   #14
bac
Senior Member
 
bac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Pennsylvania
Bikes: Too many to list!
Posts: 7,481
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
There's no such thing as soy milk. It's soy juice. Know how come I know there's no such thing as soy milk? Because there's no soy titty, is there? -- Louis Black
bac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-06, 08:33 PM   #15
MarkS
Avatar out of order.
 
MarkS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: North of the border, just
Bikes: Fuji Absolut '04 / Fuji 'Marlboro' Folder
Posts: 895
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
If you're concerned about the levels of oil or sugar added to soymilk, you could always make your own:

http://www.soymilkmaker.com/
__________________
Cars kill 45,000 Americans every year.
This is like losing a war every year, except without the parades.
MarkS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-06, 03:22 PM   #16
nedgoudy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Glendora, CA USA
Bikes: Easy Racers EZ-1 and Lightning Thunderbolt Recumbent Bikes
Posts: 364
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by RiotBoi
Where have you been shopping? I've NEVER paid more for soy then regular. Normally I pay 1.09 for a quart of the non refridgerated fortified kind versus 1.99 for a quart of whole milk.

+1 on anything organic
Yes, but I pay only $3.49 for 2 GALLONS of skim milk.
Trader Joes, the best price I can get on Soy, sells it
for $1.99 a quart, or they used to a couple of years ago.

I live in Southern California, I don't know if it is more
expensive here or not.
nedgoudy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-06, 07:10 PM   #17
edzo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 1,564
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
drink water, not milk or soy

and eat cheese

it is the best
edzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-06, 05:57 AM   #18
ratdog
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: New York City
Bikes:
Posts: 874
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by nedgoudy
Yes, but I pay only $3.49 for 2 GALLONS of skim milk.
Trader Joes, the best price I can get on Soy, sells it
for $1.99 a quart, or they used to a couple of years ago.

I live in Southern California, I don't know if it is more
expensive here or not.

I make mine at home with the machine that marks has posted. It cost 5 cents for the beans for 1-1/2 quarts.
ratdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-06, 06:22 AM   #19
Falkon
The quieter you become...
 
Falkon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Huntsville, AL
Bikes: 1973 Raleigh Superbe, 2006 Trek 4300 with no original parts, 1984 Ciocc, Custom Keith Anderson
Posts: 1,283
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by nickf829
not much more to add.. im looking for benefits of soy vs regular milk, if any? i drink skim milk usually but have tried soy lately and its not to bad. also theres a "light soy chocolate milk" that tastes awesome.


any input?
I've had to soy vs regular arguement with people before. Here is what I know

Soy milk is going to tend to have more fat calories
soy itself has qualities that reduce your chances of getting cancer
soy milk does not contain natural calcium, it is fortified with calcium. Also, something in the soy blocks some calcium from being absorbed, so you're getting much less calcium.
Soy in excess [doubt you'll ever drink THAT much] will cause kidney failure
Protein content between soy milk and regular milk is about the same
Soy milk is more expensive

Drink whatever you like. If you're lactose intolerant, then the choice is obvious.
Falkon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-06, 07:56 AM   #20
MarkS
Avatar out of order.
 
MarkS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: North of the border, just
Bikes: Fuji Absolut '04 / Fuji 'Marlboro' Folder
Posts: 895
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by nedgoudy
I live in Southern California, I don't know if it is more
expensive here or not.
Its $12 for 12 boxed quarts of Kirkland brand soy milk at Costco.
__________________
Cars kill 45,000 Americans every year.
This is like losing a war every year, except without the parades.
MarkS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-06, 08:16 AM   #21
kuan
Twincities MN
 
kuan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Salsa, Cannondale, Surly.
Bikes:
Posts: 2,527
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Just get soybeans from the Asian grocer. Soak overnight, boil, puree in blender, and strain.
__________________
www.marrow.org
kuan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-06, 08:42 AM   #22
onabulletride
/\ sucks at riding
 
onabulletride's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Bikes: Surly Steamroller
Posts: 11
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Anyone drink rice milk? I thinkit tastes good but I'm not sure how it stacks up against soy or regualr milk in terms of nutrition.
onabulletride is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-06, 09:12 AM   #23
kuan
Twincities MN
 
kuan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Salsa, Cannondale, Surly.
Bikes:
Posts: 2,527
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Rice milk has the same nutritional value as rice. Anything else is added.
__________________
www.marrow.org
kuan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-06, 09:16 AM   #24
merlinextraligh
pan y agua
 
merlinextraligh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Bikes: Wilier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Co-Motion Robusta; Schwinn Paramount; Motobecane Phantom Cross; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Calfee Dragonfly Tandem
Posts: 29,159
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 34 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bac
There's no such thing as soy milk. It's soy juice. Know how come I know there's no such thing as soy milk? Because there's no soy titty, is there? -- Louis Black

Well, You can mold tofu in lots of shapes.
merlinextraligh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-06, 03:30 PM   #25
pelikan
Two wheels is two wheels
 
pelikan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Brisbane, CA
Bikes: Pee Wee Herman Special
Posts: 875
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Soy Milk is for people who haven't tried Almond/Rice Milk
Almond/Rice Milk is for people who haven't tried HazelNut Milk

Cows don't even drink cow milk, only calves do.
pelikan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:55 AM.