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Old 03-12-03, 04:36 PM   #1
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Supplements for Fat Loss

Hey, I am an Alpine ski racer and road biker during the summer. Does anyone have any good advice on diet programs, supplements, or anything of that nature that have worked in fat loss programs (im looking to loose about 10 lbs) that still allow for good workouts? I am not overweight, i would just like to trim down for the hills this summer. any advice on food and/or programs (I currently only have access to a spin bike)

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Whoa! Before replying to this thread, everyone please take a look at this link-
http://www.clubsafety.com/Law%20Note...es/oct1999.htm

It is totally ok for people to say what they do for supplements, but making the recommendation on what to use may not be a good idea, since we all know the legal ramifications of what's happening here with that unregulated supplement that's under fire by the FDA right now....

Having said that, there are nutritional supplements out there that make the claims that work in fat loss. I suggest, however, working on a training program that involves some nutritional modifications for trimming the fat. First, find a fitness professional that can measure your bodyfat so you can ascertain just how overfat you are. Next, seek a nutritionist who can help identify your eating habits and can tailor an eating program that works for your fitness activities and your fitness goals. Finally, increase your cardiovascular program so that your metabolism is increased and add in weight training to build muscle- since muscle burns a lot of calories, by building up the muscle, you are helping the body to use the fat you have in the body as it's primary energy source.

What is it you do right now for your cardio and what do you do for weight training? Can you elaborate so that people can make comments on what they think you can do with your training program to optimize fat loss?

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Old 03-12-03, 05:22 PM   #4
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hey, i think i mis-led everyone. First off, i am not overweight, nor out of form. I am a Division I ski racer, 175lbs, very experienced in weight training, plyometrics, etc. I am a crazy road bike racing fan during the summer, and would race more if i had more time off from my ski training in the summer. I spin 5 times a week along with 5 ski sessions and 3 weight and coordination sessions, and I record all my training, sleep, and nutrition habits on my computer, (I eat well despite the vast variety of fried foods offered in most college cafeterias). I am not looking for a euphedra or bitter orange supplement, i am simply looking to see if anyone has had any success with products like Cytomax, Endurox, jogmate, etc, or diets that toy with carbohydrate/fat intake to atchieve lower body fat over a period of time. So thanks to anyone who replys, im just looking for some basic advice on programs or diets to trim down before the start of the season.

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Old 03-12-03, 05:27 PM   #5
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http://MyFreeDiet.com

long form to fill out but its a general diet with your likes added to it.. doesn't talk about supplementation, just good basic food groups.

another site to check out might be http://www.mayoclinic.com

they offer motivation for keeping a healthy diet.

good luck, apparently the last 10 lbs are the hardest to take off... imho i would just ride more or cross train to jumpstart your metabolism.
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Old 03-12-03, 05:31 PM   #6
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Thanks for the advice, does anyone have any links or thoughts on how to decide what the right calorie defecits are for weight loss training?
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I went from 280 in April to 200 in October. I took and continue to take the following for weight loss and general health:
  • L-Carnitine
  • Co-Q10
  • A multivitamin
  • EFA
  • Chromium
  • Vitamin C
  • Vitamin B-50 complex
  • Vitamin E
  • Melatonin
  • Lecithin
  • Psyllium
  • Zinc
  • MSM
  • Selenium

I took the following and found them not to be useful for weight loss:
  • Pyruvate
  • 5-HTP
  • Endurox Excel
  • HMB
  • Phenylalanine
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Start with a 500 calorie deficit max and adjust from there based on results.To large a deficit with high activity levels risks shutting down your metabolism/energy levels.As others said get the diet right before you start thinking of supplements and if you do supplement stick with the nutritional type such as Amerpie suggested.Also avoid refined sugar supplements except for intense training as it will shut of fat burning.
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xenadrine.

Its a fat burner.Comes in tablet form (i think).Never used it but seen it advertised in a lot of sport food shops.
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Watch out on using the above supplement particularlywith intensive training as this company is currently in a messy lawsuit due to the death of a college player who alledgedly took the supplement before passing away duing summer drills.Further this or similar supplement was alledgedly involved in the recent death of the pro baseball pitcher who passed away during spring training drills.Again on the diet and changes use gradualism making small perhaps 250 calorie changes based on feedback/results you are getting .
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Check out CLA - all natural and pretty cheap.
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CLA is actually a good suggestion and an example of the type of nutritional supplement that may be missing from your diet and you would benefit from supplementing. It is found in large amounts in grass feed beef and dairy products but largely missing in grain fed which most is nowdays.It is a"good"fat that has numerous health and fat burning benefits.I remember when it first came out it cost an arm and a leg so if it is resonably priced now I may look into it myself.Check this article for details: http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag99/apr99-report1.html
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first a disclaimer: this is my opinion and it is likely it will deviate from yours.

1) i would rather put up with 10 pounds of extra weight than put a bunch of chemicals in my body.
2) just because something is "all natural" does not make it harmless. opiates are all natural. death cap mushrooms are all natural. in fact, in the final analysis, all supplements and drugs start in nature, then are distilled. so in my opinion, "all natural" means next to nothing.
3) if you eat right, exercise regularly, and are clinically healthy (which you sound like you are), why worry about the final 10 pounds? is it an aesthetic thing or do you think it is hindering your performance in competition? i would guess that those 10 pounds will have you moving down the ski slopes quite nicely.
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If you had read the link on CLA you would have seen it was a fatty acid (ie a fat one of the three major macronutrient food groups).Thus I think the other posters point in calling it natural was to distinguish between substances the body recognizes as food/nutrition versus a drug which usually mimics or blocks the actions of nutrients with unwanted side effects.Second I think the original poster clearly stated why he wanted to lose 10 lbs. of fat and it makes sense(for cycling anyway) and while I agree for many ski racers some extra size/strength is beneficial an extra 10 lbs of muscle versus 10 extra lbs of fat would be what he wants here. He may have to determine whether the cycle or ski racing is more important to him as training to maximize performance in one may be divergent with optimal training/ body composition for the other.
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thanks for the clarity, RTWD. let me respond by clarifying my position in kind. unlike you, i will avoid being condescending, because i think it's a tad arrogant.

it matters not a whit whether a supplement falls within a food group. the fact remains it is a chemical designed to monkey with your metabolism. carbs are a food group too, but excessive sugars have been shown to have a pretty negative affect. it is also true that many nutritionists now regard sugar as one of the most damaging "drugs" ever to appear in western society. it introduces into the body a burst of energy that spikes blood glucose, overtaxing the pancreas and other organs and promoting the storage of fat.

i am certainly not in any position to critique any athlete's desire to lose 10 pounds, but it has been my experience that fixation on a so-called ideal body weight can lead some to supplements, and that some of these supplements will, in the long run, diminish health, rather than improve it. i have seen this tendency in action many times at the gym, where hard-core body builders swallow fistfulls of pills to get the perfect physique.

my personal philosophy is this (and please keep in mind that, as stated previoiusly, it is mine alone; not intended to be the gospel for anyone else): unless you make your living through sports (which most people don't), why not eat a healthy, balanced diet featuring a minimum of non-processed foods, drink plenty of water, get plenty of rest & exercise, and let body weight be what it is? there really is no need for magic potions. they often come with a "catch 22."

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I agree with most of what you say as well as your philosophy as my prior posts in this thread would indicate.What I find arrogant is when people make absolute statements about supplements or anything else for that matter implying they are all bad without even commenting specifically on the one that had been brought up. Any food you eat is going to break down into chemicals and monkey with your metabolism.The key is to obtain a balance of all nutrients needed .Unfortunately many essential nutrients are nowdays missing from our food supply largely due to modern agricultural techniques.While I agree ideally one should try to get all nutrients from whole foods sometimes it is helpful to supplement .One example is grain feed/ feedlot beef and dairy where the fatty acid ratio is altered for the worse (compared to traditional grass fed).In addition to depleting omega 3 and CLA it creates excessive amounts of saturated fat.Short of expensive mailorder grass fed beef and dairy it makes sense to cut back and supplement the beneficial fatty acids in short supply mentioned.The fact that CLA also helps in fat loss is an added benefit as far as I see. That is my philosophy though and many people are influenced by supplement marketing hype and exspect too much from them so I agree with you there as well.As far as weight loss given the amount of obesity in this country I never discourage anyone from attempting to lose weight and if to achieve this goal they see need to take a few more supplements than I do I see no harm(with the nutritional type anyway)as long as they get the rest of the diet/exercise etc. right as well.
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one bicycle, daily for a reasonable amount af time. At least I hope that works! That's where I put my money!
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Well, I've been trying to diet and bicycle without much success for a while now. The year I lost 50 pounds, I was taking Chromium Picolinate, but stopped when I started having anxiety attacks (which I now blame on overtraining and caffeine) and then I threw it away when I heard about all the health risks.

Since I haven't been making any progress without it, I am trying a supposedly safer form of Chromium (Chromium Polynicotinate) and seem to be having results already after just a few days, with no other major changes. In addition to apparently increasing fat loss, it seems to make me more tolerant of hunger and I'm having much less of the constant compulsion to snack.

The people who push Chromium claim that it's a natural requirement in our diet which we're not getting enough of. I hope they're right, because I figure I'd better go on with it for a while...I'd like to spend some of my life at a normal weight, and nothing else is working for me.
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I cannot disqualify wether chromium supplements help with weight loss or not since there aren't enough clinical trials. There is probably no doubt many of us are deficient since the main source comes from unprocessed foods such as whole grains and vegetables. However, keep in mind that chromium supplementation has been shown to induce chromosomal changes in the laboratory, the blueprints for health cell production and thus causes cancer. Chromium VI is labelled by the World Health Organization as a human carcinogen. Of course, the dietary form is Chromium III. However, since there are no quality control standards for any of the over the counter laboratory synthesis of these products, do you know which type you are getting? Chromium VI can be very easily manufactured vs. chromium III.

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts7.html

I don't trust all vitamin producers since lab spectrographic analysis of some famous herbal supplements have shown dangerous additivies of mercury, arsenic, lead etc. so why not chromiium VI?. Just be careful.
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Back to the original topics.

Here are some things to supplement your diet.

Acetyl-L-Carnitine
7-Keto DHEA
Green Tea Extract
Guggulsterones ( I suggest SAN T3 )
EFA (if you could bare the taste of Flax Oil, go for that, or else get the capsules)
CLA

and if you like fat burners try SAN Tight

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Well I've dropped 50 Lbs in 5 months, I'm basically hitting the gym 5 days a week and watching what I eat. The most effective thing *for me* has been interval training (basically do the hardest cardio you can for a minute or two to get your heart rate up, then give it a few minutes to come all the way down, then go hard again).

As for supplements, I'm taking GNC Mega-men sport vitapaks (Basically a multivitamin plus some natural supplements), 4000mg of CLA per day (half with breakfast, half with dinner), and 500mg of L-Carnitine per day. Again, this is working for me and won't necessarily work for you.

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I've been experimenting with supplements for many years. I've yet to find one that does anything measurable or noticeable, with the possible exception of creatine for sprinting. Supplements are a feather - training is the hammer. Illegal drugs are another story. They obviously work very well.
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I've been experimenting with supplements for many years. I've yet to find one that does anything measurable or noticeable, with the possible exception of creatine for sprinting. Supplements are a feather - training is the hammer. Illegal drugs are another story. They obviously work very well.
As far as weight loss goes... Carbon nails it.

I've tried a lot of stuff you've never even heard of.
Some of it actually helps a little.

Svetol, rasberry ketones.

I do have one little quibble with Carbons post. For long term health, Docs are saying we should be
taking Omega 3 and Vit D. Some people need more, you'd have to get your blood vitamin levels checked
to be sure (almost everyone is deficient in something).

But that analogy, training is the hammer, that's great.
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