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    Fish Oils: Please 'Splain Something to Me

    Ok, so the omega-3 fatty acids [FA] have all kinds of benefits for us. Looks like the jury is in on that concept.

    Question: Is this class of FA beneficial only to the extent that it REPLACES a like amount of fats in ones diet? [Put another way, are there benefits to merely adding omegas to ones current diet?]

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    Yes, There is proven benefits to fish oils FA's. I've taken Cod oil
    for decades and have the heart of a 20 yr old (I'm 60.5 now)
    much to my doctors amazment.

    My doctor now has some his most troublesome heart patients
    taking Cod Liver Oil supplement pills like I do with very good
    results for even the most damaged heart. Is it food magic?
    No, I think it just add's enough "kick" to the diet to help
    ensure that the heart gets all of the food IT needs.

    The good part is that if it don't help you it won't harm you
    either.

    As far as the "jury being out" on FA's......
    Remember that doctors & the Pharma companies don't make a dime on vitamins or supplements.
    So what benefit would it serve them when they can't get ya for prescription costs??
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    I've certainly bennifited from consuming fish oil while also cutting out omega 6 vegetable oils. The first thing I noticed was that I was more alert and energetic and secondly I noticed that I was warmer and didn't feel the cold anywhere near as much. Lots of other bennifits as well.

    See, http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html

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    Fish oils are liquid at room temp and classified as polyunsaturated fatty acids. Lots of nutrition writers talk about the ratio of Omega 3 PUFAs to Omega 6 PUFAs. Most Americans eat huge amounts of Omega 6 because it's in our processed foods, veg. oils, salad dressings, peanut butter, and so on. We hardly eat any Omega 3s, found in fish oil, flax seeds, walnuts, and canola oil (but Omega 3 predominates in canola oil, I believe). So the suggestion is to eat less Omega 6 and more Omega 3. I guess the answer to your question is yes--add fish oil to your diet--very widely accepted advice. A lot of writers also say to eat less of the Omega 6 PUFAs, but this is more controversial.

    Also, they want us to eat more of a totally different class of FA--monounsaturated oils, like in Olive oil.

    So eat more fish oil, nuts and olive oil, according to most nutritionists. Eat less of other vegetable oils. Canola oil is probably pretty neutral, from what I've learned. It isn't really good for you or bad for you, that is.

    I take 3 fish oil capsules a day, on my doctor's advice.. I buy them at Sam's Club, where they cost less than half as much as the next cheapest brand, and they're highly rated for purity and potency.
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    Any comparisons with taking fish-oil vs. eating real fish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
    Any comparisons with taking fish-oil vs. eating real fish?
    good question...I suppose you need to watch for mercury (Hg) in some fish--some tuna has gotten a bad rap lately. Honestly, if you are already concerned about what you put into your body this will not be difficult.

    And I personally think that real fish taste much better than the pills...little butter, chives...mmmmmmm and way more satisfying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
    Any comparisons with taking fish-oil vs. eating real fish?
    The secondary sources that I've read concur that the benefits are equivalent. Mercury is an important issue with real fish--especially the predator species that supply the most Omega 3. Also, most Americans just aren't in the habit of eating fish that often.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote!
    Ok, so the omega-3 fatty acids [FA] have all kinds of benefits for us. Looks like the jury is in on that concept.

    Question: Is this class of FA beneficial only to the extent that it REPLACES a like amount of fats in ones diet? [Put another way, are there benefits to merely adding omegas to ones current diet?]

    Thanks.
    From: http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...on/oep2002.htm

    Fish Oil (or EPA/DHA) is King!

    ·Omega 3 fatty acids (like fresh water fish oils) haven't gotten the medical attention they deserve because they don't lower blood cholesterol. However, they do lower blood triglycerides and platelet aggregation. Platelet aggregation is an indicator of how likely the platelets are to stick to the walls of your arteries, which causes plaque build-up, leading to eventual artery blockade (arteriosclerosis).

    ·Taking three grams of fish oil per day for only 30 days will decrease blood triglycerides by 35%.

    ·Taking nine grams of fish oil per day will decrease the severity of mental disorders such as mania and depression.

    ·Inuit (an Eskimo people) eat diets low in fruits and vegetables and also high in saturated fats and animal protein. Although this diet doesn't seem "heart healthy," these people have a very low risk of CV disease. Why? Well, the average Inuit eats 130 g of marine foods per day (1000 mg of fish oil) while the average North American eats only 13 g of marine foods per day (100 mg of fish oil).

    ·When fish oil is taken regularly after a myocardial infarction, there's a 40% reduction in subsequent death rate.

    ·Fish oil is rapidly burned in the mitochondrion (the cellular "power houses"); therefore it's not likely to be stored as body fat.

    ·Flavorless fish oil is now being added to foods like eggs (Omega Pro) and in the future you'll see flavorless fish oil added to many foods, including ice cream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Univega
    From: http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...on/oep2002.htm

    Fish Oil (or EPA/DHA) is King!

    ·Omega 3 fatty acids (like fresh water fish oils) haven't gotten the medical attention they deserve because they don't lower blood cholesterol. However, they do lower blood triglycerides and platelet aggregation. Platelet aggregation is an indicator of how likely the platelets are to stick to the walls of your arteries, which causes plaque build-up, leading to eventual artery blockade (arteriosclerosis).

    ·Taking three grams of fish oil per day for only 30 days will decrease blood triglycerides by 35%.

    ·Taking nine grams of fish oil per day will decrease the severity of mental disorders such as mania and depression.

    ·Inuit (an Eskimo people) eat diets low in fruits and vegetables and also high in saturated fats and animal protein. Although this diet doesn't seem "heart healthy," these people have a very low risk of CV disease. Why? Well, the average Inuit eats 130 g of marine foods per day (1000 mg of fish oil) while the average North American eats only 13 g of marine foods per day (100 mg of fish oil).

    ·When fish oil is taken regularly after a myocardial infarction, there's a 40% reduction in subsequent death rate.

    ·Fish oil is rapidly burned in the mitochondrion (the cellular "power houses"); therefore it's not likely to be stored as body fat.

    ·Flavorless fish oil is now being added to foods like eggs (Omega Pro) and in the future you'll see flavorless fish oil added to many foods, including ice cream.
    good post...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody
    The secondary sources that I've read concur that the benefits are equivalent. Mercury is an important issue with real fish--especially the predator species that supply the most Omega 3. Also, most Americans just aren't in the habit of eating fish that often.
    Yeah I was wondering what the comparable amount of fish to eat in order to equal those fish-oil pills. Maybe fish & chips twice a week would suffice? Or are omega-3 FAs one of those things you can't overdo? Although I do eat a lot of Italian food and use a lot of olive-oil/vinegar dip.

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    Great responses folks; I appreciate the information. [. . .as my burps all taste like fish since I've started eating more of the "oily-tasty" ones]

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    Look for fish oils, not fish liver oils. You can get way too much vitamin A if you take a lot of liver oils.

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    Omega 3 is excellent in so many ways. But it can be hard to consume a decent amount by eating fish. Not only is it cardio protective, but helps with brain function as well(alzheimers and mental illness).

    Remember that doctors & the Pharma companies don't make a dime on vitamins or supplements.
    So what benefit would it serve them when they can't get ya for prescription costs??
    Many pharmaceutical companies also have nutritionals so they do in fact profit from vitamins. There is also a ton of research done outside of pharma companies so there is plenty known about nutrition and supplements. I just did a search on pubmed and it came up with over 9,000 peer reviewed articles on omega-3. So whether pharma makes omega-3 or not, there is plenty known about it. And, it is readily available in many stores.

    Doctors do not get any money for prescribing drugs, vitamins, or anything else. So whether they say take a vitamin or prescribe a drug they don't get any extra money. And frankly, as much as doctors make, I highly doubt they go into it for the money. They could make just as much or more money in business and have much better hours and far less stress.
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    Yes...may be beneficial

    Several outcome trials with promising results...primarily in secondary prevention. Be sure to make sure the product you take is pure (no mercury content)


    This is a great site to learn- be sure to read the slide notes if the slide does not make sense on its own.
    http://www.lipidsonline.org/slides/s...fm?q=omega&st=

    Also, a FDA Rx'd version of fish oil is Omacor. You can visit their site to learn a little more as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
    Yeah I was wondering what the comparable amount of fish to eat in order to equal those fish-oil pills. Maybe fish & chips twice a week would suffice? Or are omega-3 FAs one of those things you can't overdo? Although I do eat a lot of Italian food and use a lot of olive-oil/vinegar dip.
    The 3 fish oil capsules provide roughly the amount of Omega 3 in a serving of salmon. Fish & chips is not a good choice because the fish used does not contain much Omega 3, and also the fat it is fried in is usually saturated, contains trans fats, and/or has a lot of Omega 6. You need to eat cold water fatty fish (salmon, swordfish, mackerel, and several others) to get )mega 3 PUFAs. Bake, broil, poach or grill in olive oil/canola oil for best results. I take the fish oil daily on doctor's advice because I already had coronary artery disease.

    The problem with eating fish is that mercury levels in these fish is often high, especially for pregnant and nursing women and for young children. This can be the case with both wild and farmed fish. Some species are worse than others. Consumer Reports said that none of the brands of fish oil capsules contained mercury. Here's a link to the FDA you might want to check out:

    http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/seafood1.html

    (But note that some nutrition scientists think the FDA guidelines for mercury aren't strict enough.)


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    Ok, no deep-fried stuff allowed! Cold-water fatty fish it is then. I've always liked the cheeks of those things too, very fatty and dericious.. yummmm..

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    I like the Carlson's straight lemon flavor it tasts good and molecular distilled so you are not getting any pcb's or mercury also it is tested by a independent third party for contaminants. Also if you get enough sunlit I would get fish oil rather that cod liver oil.
    Last edited by kmckay; 10-16-06 at 04:33 PM.

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    What about fresh water fish vs salt? Are the mercury levels still a concern? What about the Omega 3s?
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    I would never trust anything but molecular distillation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmckay
    I would never trust anything but molecular distillation.
    Actualy you have to be wary of molecular distillation with fish oils as well unfortunately. Molecular distillation removes the desirable vit A and vit D content as well so molecularly distilled fish oils have synthetic vit A and vit D added and the synthetic vitamins are just the ones you wan't to avoid. Given the bad rap that high levels of natural vit A has unfairly given often manufacturers deliberately use the proccess of molecular distilation to remove the natural vit A and D rather than anything else.

    Personaly I take Halibut liver oil in winter for vit A and D because it HASN'T been distilled.

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    I had not heard that I will need to invetigate.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by slim_77
    What about fresh water fish vs salt? Are the mercury levels still a concern? What about the Omega 3s?
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    Mercury Levels in Commercial Fish and Shellfish

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    In general larger predatory fish with longer life spans accumulate the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote!
    Great responses folks; I appreciate the information. [. . .as my burps all taste like fish since I've started eating more of the "oily-tasty" ones]
    I take it first thing on an empty stomach in the morning, so it can empty from the stomach and not sit there with a bunch of food. Works most of the time. First a multivitamin, calcium+D, and a fish oil capsule. Then a cup of coffee. Then food.

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