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Old 10-30-06, 04:33 PM   #1
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Multivitamin

Hey guys I am looking for a multivitamin to make sure I am getting all the vitamins I need while trying to lose weight. Are they all the same or is there something i should be looking for? I see some people say get one with no iron. Why? Which is the best? I see some have like 1000% of everything and others have 100% while others have 50%. Any input would be great.
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B vitamins make you hungry
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Hey guys I am looking for a multivitamin to make sure I am getting all the vitamins I need while trying to lose weight. Are they all the same or is there something i should be looking for? I see some people say get one with no iron. Why? Which is the best? I see some have like 1000% of everything and others have 100% while others have 50%. Any input would be great.
I would not waste your money on anything more than One-A-Day or similar. Even that's probably overkill. Focus on getting most of your nutrients from food...the multivitamin is not supposed to be a replacement for proper nutrition.

As for the iron: I'm going to guess you are male. Healthy men do not need iron supplements, and in fact taking them can be harmful. Do not take iron supplements except on the advice of a doctor.
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One of the things I particularly like about FitDay is that once you've set up a food diary you can run reports to determine wheether you're meting your nutritional needs.

I was particularly concerned about daily equirements for calcium, iron and Vitamin D and this helped me determin how much of a daily supplement I needed to take.

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You might want to check out amino acids:

L-Arginine-
1.)"promotes lipolysis (fat breakdown) per se4, suggesting that arginine may help with the utilization of body fat stores during exercise or when dieting for fat loss.
2.) "It might be used as part of an exercise and dietary regimen designed for fat loss along with supplements such as green tea extract, caffeine, and L-tyrosine."

L-Tyrosine-
1.)" During a fat-loss regimen that includes thermogenic supplements such as ephedrine or green tea extract, L-tyrosine may enhance the anorectic (appetite suppressing) actions of these supplements".
2.)"L-tyrosine can be taken to ensure optimal thyroid function when attempting to lose body fat with diet and exercise, as well as enhance the appetite-suppressant effects of thermogenics."

Acetyl L-Carnitine-
1.)"N-Acetyl L-Carnitine (NAC) is a modified (acetylated) form of L-Carnitine, a nitrogen-containing compound derived from L-Lysine. The carnitine molecule is necessary for the proper movement of fat molecules into the mitochondria for oxidation (fat burning)."
-however regular carinitine is helpfull before/during exercise.

I recommend adding L-Leucine with these because Leucine is needed in order to absorb any protein at all. Check out TrueProtein.com and look at their custom mixes. I used their descriptions in the quotes above. If you want 5% off order, use promocode CRJ777.=D

Oh by the way, I think a reason they say 1000% or 50% like you said is because lets say for B12, a supplement bottle shows 1000% D.V. Well the body can only absorb like 10% of that making it 100% (I think). Maybe not

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If you are trying to lose weight, you are probably dieting. If you are dieting, there is a good chance you might be missing some good vitamins/minerals.

If money is no object, and you don't mind downing 22 pills at a time , animal pak might be worth a look. http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=241

Personally, I like Adam from NOW. http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=1192
That's assuming you are a guy. If you're a woman, I would look at Eve. http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=2009
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I won't speak to what you should or shouldn't take, but the percentages you see are the percent of the USDA Recommended Daily Allowance. This is how much the USDA thinks the average person should consume on a daily basis in order to get all the nutrition they need. The reason supplements may have numbers above 100% is that some people believe you need more of these nutrients if you are active, or they prescribe some training benefit to a higher dose (e.g. protein).
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I won't speak to what you should or shouldn't take, but the percentages you see are the percent of the USDA Recommended Daily Allowance. This is how much the USDA thinks the average person should consume on a daily basis in order to get all the nutrition they need. The reason supplements may have numbers above 100% is that some people believe you need more of these nutrients if you are active, or they prescribe some training benefit to a higher dose (e.g. protein).
The RDA is NOT how much the average person should consume. That is a huge misconception that some companies like Post and Kellogg have been putting in there adds for years and now most Americans believe that what the RDA is. The actual RDA was created years ago to determine the bear minimum a society on average needs to prevent deficiencies, such as scurvy, In other words they take the average of kids, elderly, middle age people, sedentary people... so the RDA is the minimum that average needs to prevent a deficiency. If you an active adult in your 20's the RDA probably won't even prevent deficiencies., much less be enough to sustain your active life style.
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If you really want it ALL try this: http://www.druckerlabs.com/intramax.html
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If you are trying to lose weight, you are probably dieting. If you are dieting, there is a good chance you might be missing some good vitamins/minerals.

This was my reasoning for considering a multivitamin.

And thanks everyone for the replies.
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I take flintstones

plus a calcium, magnesium & zinc pill
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Hey guys I am looking for a multivitamin to make sure I am getting all the vitamins I need while trying to lose weight. Are they all the same or is there something i should be looking for? I see some people say get one with no iron. Why? Which is the best? I see some have like 1000% of everything and others have 100% while others have 50%. Any input would be great.
I agree that you should be trying to get most of your nutrients from good food. A multivitamin is an okay thing to add.

There are lots of athletes who go beyond that and use specific supplements. That's a risky thing to do in my book:

1) There isn't good long-term data around the safety of taking many supplements over the long term
2) The research around the benefits of many supplements aren't great.
3) The entire supplement industry is mostly unregulated. Supplements vary in potency, and manufacturers can make a lot of claims without validating them.
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As for the iron: I'm going to guess you are male. Healthy men do not need iron supplements, and in fact taking them can be harmful. Do not take iron supplements except on the advice of a doctor.
Absolutely. Another reason they make multivitamins without iron is that iron can cause constipation in some people.

I think a daily multivitamin wouldn't hurt for most people. Every doctor I've had thought it was a good idea. If all you have access to is a mainstream pharmacy, a pharmacist can steer you in the direction of daily multivitamin brands produced with good quality control.
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My doctor advises me to take a multi. Sams Club and Costco are good places to buy vitamins of good quality that don't cost much, according to Consumer Reports. I would go with the ones that say"100 %" rather than high potency products. My reason is that you should get your nutrients from your food, and the vitamins are really just insurance.
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Liquid Multi is the best solution. Fill in the holes in your nutrition with them then let your food choices fill in the carbs, protein, fiber, taste you want. Check out: www.MetabolicWealth.com Thats what I use and it does make a huge difference.
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a multivit is actually a good idea to take.....one reason being its hard to cover all your bases when trying to get vitamins from foods.....despite our best intentions....the other is the placebo effect...taking a multivit 'makes' you feel better.
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That's no placebo effect. Don't underestimate the kick from a slight oversupply of B-Complex vitamins.

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hey if 'holywater' has a placebo effect you better believe multivit's will!!.............
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This is what I take... but I only take one a day. The label says to take 3

http://www.vitacost.com/NaturesWayAl...er-NoIronAdded
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This is what I take... but I only take one a day. The label says to take 3

http://www.vitacost.com/NaturesWayAl...er-NoIronAdded

looks like the pill version of V8
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I see some people say get one with no iron. Why?
Men don't need to add iron to there diet. Women need it more than men because of there monthly blood loss. Too much iron becomes a free-flowing radical in your body which can lead to cancer.
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Too much iron also inhibits the absorption of calcium as well.
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The RDA is NOT how much the average person should consume. That is a huge misconception that some companies like Post and Kellogg have been putting in there adds for years and now most Americans believe that what the RDA is. The actual RDA was created years ago to determine the bear minimum a society on average needs to prevent deficiencies, such as scurvy, In other words they take the average of kids, elderly, middle age people, sedentary people... so the RDA is the minimum that average needs to prevent a deficiency. If you an active adult in your 20's the RDA probably won't even prevent deficiencies., much less be enough to sustain your active life style.
While you are partially right, you are not completely right...
RDA is the amount of a nutrient sufficient for 98% of the population. One can assume that he would fit into this category. You are thinking of EAR, which is the amount of nutrient that is sufficient to maintain a specific body function and prevent disease, but may not be as much as one should consume. The last reference would be AI, adequate intake, which is the average amount of nutrient consumed by the healthy population. Both AI and RDA are considered to in the "safe level" on the scale of standards set by the USDA.

On another note, I would not recomend taking a multivitamin unless you know there is no way that you diet can/will fulfill one of the nutrient requirements. It is always best to get these vitamins and minerals from food when possible. Exceptions might come for people who have severe food allergies and cannot consume numerous types of foods and therefore cannot get an adequate amount of a certain nutrient. An example may be Vitamin D and lactose intolerants. Visit websites like eatright.org to find out more about what foods provide what nutrients. I gave up taking multivitamins and have altered my diet to be more healthy and accomodate all of my needs. I am a college student on a small grocery budget, so if I can do it, anyone can! Also, look into books like Carmichael's books on eating/nutrition for athletes (he even has his own cookbook now!) or Nancy Clark's Sports Nutrition Guidebook. It is a great resource that can answer all your questions.
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Men don't need to add iron to there diet. Women need it more than men because of there monthly blood loss. Too much iron becomes a free-flowing radical in your body which can lead to cancer.
I've heard it recommended that men donate blood regularly for this reason. Any of you guys do that?
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Go to the library or book store and pick up a copy of "The Diet Cure" by Julia Ross to peruse. An interesting read about body chemistry and what you may be missing. I take GNC Women's Ultra Mega Active as it has the extra's that are helpful for a 6 day a week cycle training program.
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