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Old 03-01-07, 04:55 PM   #1
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Soy Milk

I have heard good and bad things about it, but the bad things are mostly coming from some bodybuilders so I dont know who to listen to. What are the pros and cons of replacing it with regular milk? I kind of like the taste and figured getting some healthy protein into my diet wouldnt hurt. Also, how is it as a recovery drink?
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I have heard good and bad things about it, but the bad things are mostly coming from some bodybuilders so I dont know who to listen to. What are the pros and cons of replacing it with regular milk? I kind of like the taste and figured getting some healthy protein into my diet wouldnt hurt. Also, how is it as a recovery drink?
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Hi,
protein is protein. Most soy milk has more sugar in it than you would think, and
more fat. Check the label....

I use either no sugar or low soy. I have both in the fridge as we speak. This morning I had dropped eggs on toast with half milk/half soy. The milk is a 1% fat protein fortified product.

The low fat soy I use in shakes and drinking.

Note- everything has hormones. Brocoli has hormones. Your body
learned to live with them a few million years ago.

Note #2 - bodybuilders are worse than teenage girls when it comes to
fads.

Note #3 - You can have too much of a good thing.
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Old 03-02-07, 06:32 PM   #4
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I mix 1 part chocolate soy milk with 2-3 parts 2% reduced fat milk. Good stuff. I go through 2 gallons of milk and 1/2 a gallon of chocolate soy milk in about 7-10 days.

I see it as the best of both worlds.
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There was a mouse study done where they showed that genistein, a phytoestrogen present in soy milk, binds to the estrogen receptor. This resulted in visceral fat deposition. If you think that this might correlate to a human study than don't drink it. On the other hand it also contains a lot of antioxidants. So if you want to drink soy milk and are concerned about visceral fat deposits just take an over the counter SERM.
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Soy milk isn't so much a health food as a "replacement" food with less than benificial properties. See, http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

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Soy milk isn't so much a health food as a "replacement" food with less than benificial properties. See, http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

Regards, Anthony

Great site. I hope it's accurate as you never know what information is well founded no matter the source.

I've never seen any research studies that show a compelling reason for eating soy. That said, I've wanted to reduce my intake of milk so a few years ago I tried soy milk in my cereal. After about 10 days, my digestion was badly messed up. Thinking it might be the soy, I stopped it for a bout a month then took it again. Same thing happened. I repeated the experiment twice more with the same results.

Some of the negatives listed on the site could possibly explain my problem with soy.

We now use Almond milk. Not as good as soy milk for protein, but very low in calories if you stay away from "vanilla" version. Soy is valuable for vegans due to the very high protein content of some soy products.

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Great site. I hope it's accurate as you never know what information is well founded no matter the source.

I've never seen any research studies that show a compelling reason for eating soy. That said, I've wanted to reduce my intake of milk so a few years ago I tried soy milk in my cereal. After about 10 days, my digestion was badly messed up. Thinking it might be the soy, I stopped it for a bout a month then took it again. Same thing happened. I repeated the experiment twice more with the same results.

Some of the negatives listed on the site could possibly explain my problem with soy.

We now use Almond milk. Not as good as soy milk for protein, but very low in calories if you stay away from "vanilla" version. Soy is valuable for vegans due to the very high protein content of some soy products.

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If you look at some of the more detailed articles you will find that they are as well referenced as any you will find. Very importantly though I can say that just like you I found that what the WAPF was writing was corrseponding to my own experiences very well and that speaks volumes. The WAPF is a traditionalist group that values the study of traditional diets and is critical of modern replacement foods that haven't been studied well and thats all fine. Its called control.

As a clarification the WAPF isn't totaly against ALL soy. Traditional, long fermented soy is OK in moderation.

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I've been eating soy for a quarter of a century. Am I dead yet?
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I don't know about science, but here's my anecdote FWIW; I've been eating and drinking soy in the absense of meat and dairy for 10 years and my doctor says I'm healthy. I ride my bike 10 km a day.
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I've been eating soy for a quarter of a century. Am I dead yet?
No your not dead. Just not thriving as well as you could have without it. Now OK that's a very subjective measure that's hard to quantify but that's the evidence. Also please don't quote asians as being a case in favor of soy because they consume "traditionaly fermented" soy in moderation and its just a totaly different product from western soy foods.

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Soy milk: Tastes great and I think it's good for me, so I drink a cup or two of the unsweetened kind every couple of days. So far, so good.
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Drink soy milk if you prefer. It won't hurt you, but it's not particularly awesome as a "health" food either.

On the contrary, I would claim that drinking regular dairy milk is abberant and probably bad for health.
Dairy milk causes bloating and diarrhea in 80% of the Earth's population. Adult lactose tolerance is a recent mutation only a few thousand years old. It enabled animal-herding people survive in lean times when milk could not be fermented to reduce lactose content to safe levels. A mutation evolved for famine survival does not sound like the greatest basis for sound nutrition.
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A mutation evolved for famine survival does not sound like the greatest basis for sound nutrition.
some of us can't help it if we are more evolved then others
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Heh,
I picked up a 'milk' on sale a few days ago. It is called Pacific Multi Grain.
It has some soy in it, but it is a minor ingredient. That doesn't matter to me, but the guys that faint at the sight of a soybean should hide now...

It is sweet, which is a strike against it in my book. But I was surprised by how much I liked it. I plan on getting more. I'd like to see it's amino acid profile.
With fortification from some higher quality protein it could make an excellent post-workout drink.

At this point I would love to say I was going to add soy, but the truth is I buy plain old milk protein in bulk, ten pounds at a time.
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I drink soy milk and love some Silk Chocolate soy milk, but it is high in sugar. If you're gonna drink milk I think that soy milk is much better for you than cow milk, cow milk is for calves!
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Here is a thread from a while back (last year some time) where a "kid" and I got into a little war (debate) over soy vs. regular milk. Many points were made on both sides....you may find lots of good info in there.

Which milk do you drink?
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