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    need some advice on gels, drinks, and all that jazz

    recently been pumping up my miles for each ride. im typically a fig newton guy but wanted to incorporate some gels mainly for the caffeine (im heavily addicted and get headaches if i dont feed my drug).

    easiest thing to do would be to quit the bean but i like it so im not going to. so which gels do all of you use with the caffeine buzz? any ones you like the most/least?

    im looking into hammer gels espresso flavor but i dont want to be stuck with that flavor all the time.
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    Get a copy of Ryan's Sports Nutrition for Endurance Athletes, 2nd edition. You'll get "all that Jazz".

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    For the love of GOD, how could you even suggest giving up coffee?

    Peets French Roast before the ride.

    But seriously, I think most of the GU flavors have caffeine, not just the esspresso flavor. Cliff shots are about half and half. I like the gu better, the cliff stuff is too thick, it's hard to swallow.
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    go back to mortigitempo!

    But on the more serious note.. clif bars, GU gels, half gatorade half water... or for longer rides one bottle of each

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    this one's optimistic... feethanddooth's Avatar
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    search my name there and see what you get :X

    back to original, i think i may make something from honey and ground up espresso beans. any suggestions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by valygrl
    For the love of GOD, how could you even suggest giving up coffee?

    Peets French Roast before the ride.

    But seriously, I think most of the GU flavors have caffeine, not just the esspresso flavor. Cliff shots are about half and half. I like the gu better, the cliff stuff is too thick, it's hard to swallow.
    Yep, vanilla and some others have caffeine, too....

    Gotta love the Peets!
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    Gu Espresso flavor is like a shot in gel form. I save that stuff as 'rocket fuel'. The Vanilla bean has half as much, but is still tasty. Caffeinated gels usually don't have all that much caffeine though. Perhaps 25-100mg.
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    Don't kill the messenger but...In the August Bicycling Magazine, there is an article on nutrition and they recommend that caffeine not be taken until you are well into the ride. The rational is that if you start with the increased energy, it's harder to get the extra jolt you need later in the ride.

    Of course in this issue they are advocating training by drafting trucks and intentionally not eating before a ride to bonk on purpose????????

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    I don't think that a stimulant of any sort is a particularly brilliant idea, just in terms of spiking your blood pressure and heart rate in an unsafe fashion.

    Just my two cents....

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    Uhh... do you have any data on exactly how much blood-pressure is increased? And exactly how much heart-rate is increased?
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    go with the cliffbar shot blocks.. The Black Cherry and Orange have caffeine.. They work like a gel but are more like gummy bears..

    http://www.clifbar.com/eat/shot_blok.cfm?location=shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
    Uhh... do you have any data on exactly how much blood-pressure is increased? And exactly how much heart-rate is increased?
    No, I don't. And it probably depends on the person

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    We're talking caffeine amounts equivalent to a Coke (12oz) or cup of ordinary coffee. No reason to be alarmist.
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    Power Gel chocolate has caffeine. It's not terrible. But I also start each morning with a double shot of espresso. This week it's Peet's Italian Roast. Che sapore!
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    Don't underestimate the agony of a caffine headache. I layed in the hospital with a Dilaudid drip for 2 days & it did nothing for the headache other than distract me. I'm a heavy caffine junky & found this is the best gel. http://www.clifbar.com/eat/eat.cfm?location=shot&id=418 Of course nothing beats a big thick french press.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CastIron
    We're talking caffeine amounts equivalent to a Coke (12oz) or cup of ordinary coffee. No reason to be alarmist.
    Yes, but do remember that the half-life of caffeine in your system is at least 3-4 hours, so it will add up if you are sucking down gels at the recommended spacing time.

    I dono. I'm mostly deeply suspicious that the biggest contribution to the "recovery" effect of these energy gels is not a 4:1 balance or electrolytes or anything like that. It's the caffeine and a psychological "placebo" effect. Might as well suck down NoDoz.

    Either way, you are likely increasing your risk for circulatory system complications. Ask a sports physician about it, I'm not one. I suspect they are best used sparingly, not every ride.

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    It had to be Gu, it had to be Gu
    I wandered around, and finally found
    The gel who
    Could make me be true,
    And could make me be blue
    And even be glad, just to be sad
    Thinking of Gu

    Some others I've seen,
    Might never be mean
    Might never be cross,
    Or try to be boss
    But they wouldn't do
    For nobody else, gave me a thrill
    With all your faults, I
    Love you still
    It had to be Gu, wonderful Gu
    It had to be Gu


    whaddya think, too subtle?

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    We're in different camps. Used in moderation by average healthy folks (read: most cyclists not under a doctor's care) they serve a purpose and almost zero danger. There's always a group outside the bell curve, or course, like those with food allergies or no sense at all. Personally, I carry one or two caffeinated gels at most on any given ride. BTW, the gels aren't for recovery. They are for sustenance while riding. It's simply food in the form of 80-100g packets of gel. Gas in the tank, if you will. Suspicious? Use organic honey and stop all the hand wringing.
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    Good humor.

    Quote Originally Posted by late
    It had to be Gu, it had to be Gu
    I wandered around, and finally found
    The gel who
    Could make me be true,
    And could make me be blue
    And even be glad, just to be sad
    Thinking of Gu

    Some others I've seen,
    Might never be mean
    Might never be cross,
    Or try to be boss
    But they wouldn't do
    For nobody else, gave me a thrill
    With all your faults, I
    Love you still
    It had to be Gu, wonderful Gu
    It had to be Gu


    whaddya think, too subtle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wirehead
    Yes, but do remember that the half-life of caffeine in your system is at least 3-4 hours, so it will add up if you are sucking down gels at the recommended spacing time.

    I dono. I'm mostly deeply suspicious that the biggest contribution to the "recovery" effect of these energy gels is not a 4:1 balance or electrolytes or anything like that. It's the caffeine and a psychological "placebo" effect. Might as well suck down NoDoz.

    Either way, you are likely increasing your risk for circulatory system complications. Ask a sports physician about it, I'm not one. I suspect they are best used sparingly, not every ride.

    No placebo effect here,...

    Caffeine is a member of the family of compounds called methylxanthines; most methylxanthines, caffeine included, demonstrate weak phosphodiesterase properties. What does that mean? It means the following: 1.) the blood pressure in the pulmonary circulation (PVR) will be slightly reduced. 2.) the blood pressure in the systemic circulation (SVR) will be slightly increased. 3.) the "squeeze" of the heart (inotropy) will be slightly increased.

    To explain further, a decreased PVR allows for better performance of the right ventricle, more blood flow to the lungs-perhaps resulting in more oxygenation assuming healthy lung parenchyma,- and ultimately a better left ventricle filling (preload). A slightly elevated SVR allows for better coronary artery filling during the rest phase of the heart cycle called diastole; better coronary artery filling during diastole enhances oxygen supply to the myocardium. Improved inotropy, holding other variables constant, improves oxygen delivery to the peripheral tissues.

    In summary, caffeine as a methylxanthine and having weak phosphodiesterase activity, enhances blood flow through the lungs to the left side of the heart where left ventricular benefits by enhanced coronary artery filling and enhanced "squeeze."

    Do not fear the coffee bean.

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