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Old 01-30-08, 01:13 AM   #1
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Fat burner

Hey what the side effects of having fat burner...my friend wants to do that ..he is 90kgs of weight and trying to get rid of his fat ...any opinions would be great...
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Old 01-30-08, 01:58 AM   #2
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What a heck is a fat burner?
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Old 01-30-08, 02:40 AM   #3
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Its a training shortcut in a pill.

Tell your friend to eat less, exercise more and the effects will be much greater.
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Those pills lighten and thin your wallet making it more comfortable to sit on the couch.
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In all seriousness. Do any of these pills work? I'm down 67 pounds in a little over a year. My weight loss now is about a half a pound a week. I have a great workout plan and ride or do cardio 5 days a week. Will any of the pills on the market make it easier/faster to lose fat?
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In all seriousness. Do any of these pills work? I'm down 67 pounds in a little over a year. My weight loss now is about a half a pound a week. I have a great workout plan and ride or do cardio 5 days a week. Will any of the pills on the market make it easier/faster to lose fat?


You didn't get fat overnight, nor will you lose fat overnight.

1/2 lb a week is a good, respectable amount of weight to lose per week--especially on top of the 67 lbs you have already lost. Keep doing what you are doing and keep up the good work.
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Better to just have a strong, black cup of coffee or tea before a morning workout.

The pills don't do much more than caffeine alone, but cost much more. Some caffeine before the workout can help you burn more calories during the course of exercise though, and it's hard to beat the cost to effect ratio.
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In all seriousness. Do any of these pills work? I'm down 67 pounds in a little over a year. My weight loss now is about a half a pound a week. I have a great workout plan and ride or do cardio 5 days a week. Will any of the pills on the market make it easier/faster to lose fat?
No, they don't work. If they did, there wouldn't be an obesity problem. Think about it.
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No, they don't work. If they did, there wouldn't be an obesity problem. Think about it.
This topic will not remain based on fact as people have such strong feelings towards this type of thing.

There is some evidence that ephedra & caffeine pills worked. CLA certainly works very well in rats and there is some evidence that it works for humans, just not as well. However, just because something works doesn’t mean that you should use it as the stuff can be bad for you. Try getting addicted to methamphetamine or cocaine… those drugs will make you lose weight too!

Multinutrient supplement containing ephedra and caffeine causes weight loss and improves metabolic risk factors in obese women: a randomized controlled trial.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
CONCLUSION: A dietary supplement containing a low potency ephedra/caffeine mixture appeared safe and effective in causing loss of weight and body fat, and improving several metabolic parameters, including insulin sensitivity and lipid profiles when tested under physician supervision. Such supplements could be a useful tool to assist with weight loss.

Effect of a dietary herbal supplement containing caffeine and ephedra on weight, metabolic rate, and body composition.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
DISCUSSION: C&E increased RMR significantly by 8% compared with placebo, promoted more weight and fat loss than placebo, and was well tolerated.

Efficacy and safety of ephedra and ephedrine for weight loss and athletic performance: a meta-analysis.
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CONCLUSIONS: Ephedrine and ephedra promote modest short-term weight loss (approximately 0.9 kg/mo more than placebo) in clinical trials. There are no data regarding long-term weight loss, and evidence to support use of ephedra for athletic performance is insufficient. Use of ephedra or ephedrine and caffeine is associated with increased risk of psychiatric, autonomic, or gastrointestinal symptoms, and heart palpitations.

Short-term metabolic and hemodynamic effects of ephedra and guarana combinations.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
CONCLUSIONS: Consumption of 2 doses of ephedra and guarana supplements, per supplement label recommendations, results in persistent increases in heart rate and blood pressure and unfavorable actions on glucose and potassium homeostasis. Such effects could be detrimental in persons with hypertension, atherosclerosis, or glucose intolerance, conditions that are strongly associated with obesity.

Efficacy of conjugated linoleic acid for reducing fat mass: a meta-analysis in humans.
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CLA was effective and produced a reduction in fat mass for the CLA group alone (0.05 +/- 0.05 kg/wk; P<0.001) and for the CLA group compared with placebo (0.09 +/- 0.08 kg/wk; P<0.001) CONCLUSION: Given at a dose of 3.2 g/d, CLA produces a modest loss in body fat in humans.

Six months supplementation with conjugated linoleic acid induces regional-specific fat mass decreases in overweight and obese.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
It is concluded that supplementation with CLA in healthy, overweight and obese adults decreases BFM in specific regions and is well tolerated.
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This topic will not remain based on fact as people have such strong feelings towards this type of thing.

There is some evidence that ephedra & caffeine pills worked. CLA certainly works very well in rats and there is some evidence that it works for humans, just not as well. However, just because something works doesn’t mean that you should use it as the stuff can be bad for you. Try getting addicted to methamphetamine or cocaine… those drugs will make you lose weight too!
I just got this over the wire, I thought it would add to Enthalpic's post.




Reuters Health

Thursday, January 31, 2008

By Will Boggs, MD

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Sibutramine, which is marketed under the trade names Meridia and Reductil, appears safe and possibly effective for weight management in patients at a high risk for heart attack and stroke -- for whom the drug is usually not recommended -- according to a report in the European Heart Journal.

"Sibutramine could very well be safe for high-risk patients with overweight," Dr. Christian Torp-Pedersen from Bispebjerg University Hospital, Copenhagen, told Reuters Health.

In the Sibutramine Cardiovascular Outcomes (SCOUT) trial, Torp-Pedersen and associates measured blood pressure and heart rates to gauge how safe the drug would be in 10,742 overweight and obese patients at high risk for cardiovascular events, such as heart attack and stroke. In this preliminary analysis, the subjects were treated with sibutramine for 6 weeks in addition to standard care for weight management.

"Only 1,171 (11 percent) of subjects failed to lose weight or gained weight" during the study, the authors report.

Fewer than 5 percent of the patients experienced two consecutive increases in blood pressure of any possible significance, the report indicates, and overall blood pressure declined slightly.

Heart rates increased by just 1.0 to 1.5 beats per minute during the course of the study.

Diastolic blood pressure, the bottom number on a standard blood pressure reading, declined in patients with high blood pressure at study entry who lost at least 5 percent of their body weight; whereas diastolic blood pressure increased slightly in patients with normal blood pressures at entry and lost a similar amount of weight. The pattern was the same among patients who lost less than 5 percent of their body weight.

Changes were comparable for men, women and patients who were treated with beta-blockers, a class of standard blood pressure drugs, and those who were not treated with these drugs, the researchers note.

"Treatment with sibutramine at the currently accepted therapeutic dose of 10 milligrams once daily was tolerated well in these obese and overweight subjects with a high risk of cardiovascular events," the investigators conclude.

"Sibutramine might be beneficial judging from the encouraging findings during the start of the study," Torp-Pedersen said, "but this conclusion must await the final results."

SOURCE: European Heart Journal, December 2007.

Reuters Health




And here is the abstract




Aims: The Sibutramine Cardiovascular OUTcomes (SCOUT) trial is a randomized, double-blind comparison of sibutramine vs. placebo, in addition to standard care for weight management, in overweight/obese subjects with an increased risk of cardiovascular disease. The study had an initial single-blind, 6-week lead-in period with sibutramine plus weight management. We report the cardiovascular responses and weight loss during this period.

Methods and results: A total of 10 742 subjects received treatment in the lead-in period; 97% had cardiovascular disease, 88% hypertension and 84% type 2 diabetes. Body weight decreased (median 2.2 kg [5th, 95th percentile changes –6.2, 0.5]); waist circumference was reduced by 2.0 cm (men: –8.5, 2.9; women: –9.0, 3.0), systolic blood pressure fell by 3.0 mmHg (–23.5, 12.5) and diastolic by 1.0 mmHg (–13.5, 10.0). Pulse rate increased by 1.5 b.p.m. (–11.0, 13.5). All changes were statistically significant (P < 0.001). Two consecutive increases in blood pressure or pulse rate of >10 mmHg/b.p.m. were observed in 4.7 and 3.5% of subjects, respectively. Fifteen subjects (0.1%) died; 10 deaths were attributed to a cardiovascular cause, equivalent to 1.2 and 0.8 deaths per 100 years of exposure, respectively.

Conclusion: Six-week treatment with sibutramine appears to be efficacious, tolerable and safe in this high-risk population for whom sibutramine is usually contraindicated.

Key Words: Sibutramine • Randomized trial • Cardiovascular outcomes • Weight loss
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Ephedrine was the only one that I ever tried that worked, unfortunately some dumb-axx ballplayer ate a handfull of it and died so it is no longer available OTC in the USA.

But medication and fad diets are not a permanent solution to weight problems. To lose weight and keep it off requires a total lifestyle change. What eventually worked for me was to count the calories both going in and coming out. You need to burn off 3500 calories to lose one pound of weight. I kept a good record and lost almost 70 lbs at a rate of 1.5 to 2lbs a week. I didn't starve myself I ate a balanced diet of whole foods and animal proteins. I biked or walked off a minimum of 500 calories a day at least 5 days a week.

Something to remember when losing weight ,If you weigh 270 lbs and have been eating 3000 calories a day, and you reduce that to say 2000 calories a day you will have a big drop in weight for awhile. But as your weight drops your body will require less calories to function and the rate of loss slows unless you further reduce your caloric intake.

Same thing with exercise, a 270lb man burns about 150 calories per mile at a brisk walk while a 200 lb man only burns 100 calories for the same distance. as you lose weight you have to increase your activity to maintain the same rate of weight loss.
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Old 02-01-08, 08:06 PM   #13
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Calorie deficit is the only possible way of losing weight without surgery. END OF DISCUSSION!

pills just boost your metabolism, thus burning more calories. Side effects include extreme coloration in your sweat * have a the shirts to prove this one* and pale yellow skin from rapid weight loss. The newer weight lose pills actually block your fat receptors in your digestive system *yuck* which i just can't see being very good for you.

Just reduce your meal size, drink lots of water, and eat plenty of low glycemic foods and in 2 months you can easily lose 10 or more pounds completely naturally. AND eating less will actually save you money...... that you can then spend on more bike parts etc.
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They do work but they're very bad for you. I read a review of someone who tested it and their resting heart rate was at 120-130 while they were on this pill. I believe this applies to all ephedrine based fat burners. The reason for this is because ephedrine mimics the effect of epinephrine in your body. It basically makes you permanently chemically 'alert,' which makes your heart rate rise, blood pressure rise. It also makes you generate more heat because of the increase in calories burned.

Other fat blockers just make the fat pass right through your body, without absorbing it like derek was talking about. This makes it nasty to go to the bathroom, but I'm not sure of the effects of it. Basically you'll be crapping globs of fat, which is gross. I definitely agree with derek about just decreasing food intake, and increasing calories burned.

You need to burn 500 more calories than you eat per day, or 3500 per week to lose 1 lb of fat per week. You can either eat 500 less calories per day, or burn 500 more than your 'break-even' point.
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Old 02-02-08, 07:48 AM   #15
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if they want help with weight loss and cant do the eat less exercise more thing try slim fast. i know it is a for of a weight loss supplement. it worked for me though and i have kept the weight off for 5 years.





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Great work, feetanddooth!
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