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    Atkins - Yes I did a search

    Ok, I did a search of the forums AND have read(skimmed) through most of the topics. I see some good information and most of it is arguing back and forth over long term success.

    I don't care about long term (at least in the context of this diet). I know there is no quick fix for weight loss or long term health. But I have boot camp starting on March 24. In order to make sure there is absolutely no reason they will say I can't go, I plan on dropping at least 10 lbs before that day.

    I already ride ~100 miles a week. Average 17-20mph depending on the day. I ride no less than an hour when I ride. So I am already exercising.

    From what I have gathered, the lack of carbs will lead me to feel more fatigued and have less power MAINLY on longer rides due to the lack of "fuel". Is that correct?

    Since the duration of my rides are usually no longer than 2 hours (gotta love time constraints right?) I shouldn't feel the effect of less carbs all that much. Now I assume I would need to use an energy gel before a ride as well as a sports drink during the ride as that would keep me fueled during the ride. But other than that, is there anything else I need to be doing?

    I just want to make sure I am not going to severely hamper my fitness by doing this.
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    You should be fine. If you are doing a 2 hour ride, you might try a Clif bar instead of a gel. If you find your energy is down on your rides, you know what to do.

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    Just limit yourself to V8 juice and beef jerky till you hit your target weight.

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    Also if you're going to boot camp I recommend lots of push ups, sit ups and run everywhere.

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    I'm not on an Atkins diet as such as I'm not following ANY guidelines at all but my diet is a high fat / moderate protein / low carb diet and honestly a 1 to 2 hour ride can be handled on such a diet with no food at all during the ride. A 1 hour ride at 20 mph or so doesn't require food and you could do a 2 hour ride at 17-18 mph without food as well. Trying to do 2 hours at 20 mph + you may feel it at the end but training your body to consume fat as fuel is what its all about so don't spoil it by giving yourself a big dose of simple carbs. They're not required.

    One tip would be to take some form of magnesium supplement. Magnesium allows your muscles to relax thereby avoiding cramps but magnesium is also required to burn fat. The dual requirements of burning fat and working your muscles along with general population wide magnesium deficiency means that I expect that you will run into muscle twitches/cramps quite soon.

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    I never believed in Atkins/potato soup/grapefruit/blah-blah-blah diets. I have changed my life style and eat lower carbs and eat more vegetables then ever, and I am in the best health of my life. Enough about that.

    For your rides of an hour, the only thing you should need is some water, unless you have been without food and drink for many hours before you ride? An hour ride is not enough IMHO to make that much of a difference that you would need a gel of electolyte replacement, unless you are in a high heat environment at the time and have not eaten before hand. Just my $.02
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    Thanks for the replies. Sounds good. So anything less than 2 hours I really shouldn't need the carbs due to the length of the ride. Makes sense.

    Hobartlemagne- Yes, I understand it isn't the greatest of diets. But I need to drop the weight within the month, and this will work. Long term, I am just gonna go with calories in < calories out. But for now, the quick fix is needed.

    Tex_Arcana - Boot camp will be easy. I know exactly what I am getting into. From cycling, my endurance/cardio fitness will be just fine, and the pushups/situps come easy once you are there. As you get the initial muscle buildup, etc.

    And I will look into a magnesium supplement. Once again thanks for the replies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calhoun1 View Post
    Thanks for the replies. Sounds good. So anything less than 2 hours I really shouldn't need the carbs due to the length of the ride. Makes sense.

    Hobartlemagne- Yes, I understand it isn't the greatest of diets. But I need to drop the weight within the month, and this will work. Long term, I am just gonna go with calories in < calories out. But for now, the quick fix is needed.

    Tex_Arcana - Boot camp will be easy. I know exactly what I am getting into. From cycling, my endurance/cardio fitness will be just fine, and the pushups/situps come easy once you are there. As you get the initial muscle buildup, etc.

    And I will look into a magnesium supplement. Once again thanks for the replies.
    I was just being funny. I was on the Neanderthin diet for 2 years a while back. I wasn't exercising but I still lost fat and gained muscle. I don't think I ate enough vegetables though. I tell you- carb withdrawal makes caffeine withdrawal sound easy. The diet is similar to Atkins but it isn't broken down into stages.
    For what you are wanting, this diet could work for you. The book is called "Neanderthin", and of course there are web forums around that discuss it. I think its easier to understand than Atkins. Basically, whatever you eat must be able to be eaten raw. Of course you can cook it, but that is the litmus test.
    It eliminates most sources of carbs, and makes vegetables much more significant a part of the diet.
    You can eat tons of meat with it too.

    I really have thought of V8 and beef jerky as crash diet food, or at least a guilt free snack.
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    one more thing you should know, assuming you aren't eating low carb already, you will probably take a few days, maybe more time, to adapt. Lots of people, especially athletes, experience sluggishness in the early days. Your body has to adapt from burning primarily sugar to burning fat. There are various changes that take place (improvements, or actually restoring the body to the way evolution designed it to run, in my view) that take some time.

    Also, for longer, harder rides, you might want to look into the idea of post-workout carbs. The idea is that, after really draining your glucose supply, you need to replenish. Allegedly, after a hard workout, you can do that without any ill-effect. Anthony Colpo as a lot to say on this subject-if you can take his caustic style, google him up and you'll find plenty of advice.

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    Yea, the after workout carbs do make sense. As your body is ready to accept them in order to replenish. I have been doing whey protein mixed with milk, but now that I started the diet last night, I plan on using water instead of the milk to mix with.

    I realize I will definitely need to adapt as my body gets used to the fat burning. But I am looking forward to (hopefully) seeing the fat around my midsection melt away. As that is where all my fat is stored.

    Atkins really isn't hard to understand. In "Induction" you eat a max of 20g of carbs daily (wish he would use a percentage instead of a raw number, but oh well) and get to choose from a list of food. So it isn't all that hard.

    Though the book says nothing of athletes. My father in law has the book and I was looking at it. And he doesn't account for those who may try to use the diet that are athletes. Since he only recommends 30 min of exercise a day. Oh well, I will just burn more.
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    if you really want to turbocharge your low carb diet, do it fast-5 style. That is, fast for 19 hours a day, and then eat low carb foods during a five hour window, say from 5 to 10 pm (or whatever works best for you). You'll lose more weight, and your body will really get used to burning fat. It's tough to get used to, but after a few days, maybe a week, it's really a breeze. I don't normally even feel hungry till about 3 or 4 pm most days. For more info, go to www.fast-5.com.

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    hmmm, yea, from everything I have read, fasting only lowers your metabolism and causes you to gain weight when you eat...
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    Ive tried an Atkins style diet... You will feel fatigued and weak no matter if its a short or long ride.
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    One training tip: do sprint intervals.

    Max effort anaerobic for 30s or so, recover, repeat. Hill repeats are a good way to do that.

    Something about getting a max load on the body, just ramps up the metabolism more than a steady state or even aerobic interval pace.

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    thanks for that. I was just thinking I needed to start some anaerobic work. Fun intervals are fun?

    This should be interesting by the end of this week with the carb deficit. But I gotta do this right to lose the weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calhoun1 View Post
    hmmm, yea, from everything I have read, fasting only lowers your metabolism and causes you to gain weight when you eat...
    I use fasting for 'cleansing' my body. I switched to an organic diet about 2 years ago and dropped 15 pounds without trying. Cutting out sodas completely and all the added chemicals dropped the weight and my blood pressure dropped like a rock (195/100 to 113/75 in a couple weeks). Of course, I was having problems with my blood pressure and drugs were not working, which was why I tried it.

    You don't have to be a fanatic about organic either (I'm not, which is why I fast from time to time). Remember, moderation is the key in all things.

    Where I think people may gain weight after fasting is that they go hog-wild as soon as they start eating again (and most DON'T exercise). Never fast for more than 72 hours! And, as you are young, 24-36 hours would probably be smarter.

    Do some real research, check out legit medical studies and talk to your doctor before fasting though. Make sure that it won't have any negative affects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calhoun1 View Post
    Ok, I did a search of the forums AND have read(skimmed) through most of the topics. I see some good information and most of it is arguing back and forth over long term success.

    I don't care about long term (at least in the context of this diet). I know there is no quick fix for weight loss or long term health. But I have boot camp starting on March 24. In order to make sure there is absolutely no reason they will say I can't go, I plan on dropping at least 10 lbs before that day.

    I already ride ~100 miles a week. Average 17-20mph depending on the day. I ride no less than an hour when I ride. So I am already exercising.

    From what I have gathered, the lack of carbs will lead me to feel more fatigued and have less power MAINLY on longer rides due to the lack of "fuel". Is that correct?

    Since the duration of my rides are usually no longer than 2 hours (gotta love time constraints right?) I shouldn't feel the effect of less carbs all that much. Now I assume I would need to use an energy gel before a ride as well as a sports drink during the ride as that would keep me fueled during the ride. But other than that, is there anything else I need to be doing?

    I just want to make sure I am not going to severely hamper my fitness by doing this.
    You have about two weeks. You are not going to lose 10 pounds in 2 weeks - a maximum *reasonable* weight loss in a couple weeks while keepiing your fitness is perhaps a pound, maybe two.

    Two weeks is too short to do much of anything positive. It is, however, enough time to do some really negative things, and I think Atkins is one of those things.
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    what you can do is lose a bunch of water weight... which you probably already have if you started this when you made your original post. With a low carb diet, the huge weight loss at the beginning is mostly water. Depending on your size, it could be quite a few pounds, say in the 7 - 10 range, maybe more. You'll also lose a bit of fat, maybe 1 or 2 pounds per week.

    You could possibly lose five to six more pounds in the next two weeks, maybe more - three or four pounds fat, and some more water weight. Whether it's water or fat, you'll be better off without it. Would you prefer to run six miles before breakfast-or whatever insane **** they make you do- with, or without that extra six pounds?

    Obviously, lots of people still believe low carb nutrition is bad for you. However, threre is an ever growing mountain of evidence to the contrary.

    I still think you should try out a daily fast. You won't wreck your metabolism, because you'll eat plenty, every day, just one time a day tho. This causes your body to burn more fat during the day. it will also allow you to adjust faster to doing intense exercise with very little food in your system (something else I'm guessing is part of boot camp?) At any rate, you maximize the amount of water and fat you can lose over the next two weeks. Google the warrior diet, or fast-5, or intermittent fasting for more info.

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    Well I have lost 10 lbs since I started this. All while drinking lots of water (as usual) and sticking to the diet. I have only felt one ride, yesterday, where the lack of carbs really hurt me. After an hour and 15 minutes at LT+ I just died. So I attribute that to lack of carbs. Other than that, the weight loss is going well and rides of an hour or less I am not affected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calhoun1 View Post
    ... where the lack of carbs really hurt me.... at LT+ I just died.... attribute that to lack of carbs.
    It's not lack of carbs. Food input is not the energy you use on a short ride (under 2 hours). You eat on a ride to keep your digestive system working to make fuel available for your body. The clif bar you eat isn't in your muscles on that ride. A gel will raise your blood sugar level in a reasonably quick time, but that is keeping you from using your stored fat.

    Riding at LT is also keeping you from using your fat stores. Back down your output 10 - 15% and go as long as you can budget timewise. No bonking, better fuel consumption. Post ride, have a carb / protein meal (small) and water.

    Without starving yourself, try not eating before a ride. Give your body time to digest your last meal, and it will 'top off' your liver glycogen stores. Check out item #13: http://www.planetultra.com/training/...uidelines.html. Actually, check out all their ride fueling thoughts, but remember! You are trying to lose fat stores, so lean in that direction.

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