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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneO View Post
    Wow, resurrected after 5 years!
    On a related note: who else is excited about the upcoming McCain Obama election!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprince View Post
    I'm curious how that extra weight affects you on the bike. Years ago when I was doing 500+ squats and deadlifts (~25 lbs more body weight than now) I had speed out the wazoo, but was pretty useless on rides longer than 10 miles.
    Well,
    I'm fast downhill...

    Last year riding helped my lifts. This year training has been spotty due to injuries and the vagaries of life.

    I've gone from 275 down to 260.
    I'm still slow. 10-13 mph moving average over distance depending on the day.
    I have tools, a few tubes, extra lights/batteries. I weighed it the other day and it was 16lbs. I have since shed some of the redundancy.

    Bike is configured for reliability as I got sick of breaking things. On my Fuji tourer, I would tear the rear wheel loose if I pedaled hard. Braking was questionable. I hate flats. So running 38 marathon on front and 38 marathon plus on the back. I will not run a plus again.

    I'm thinking the heavy pack and heavy tires are costing me a couple mph. I feel I can improve far more by getting in better shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprince View Post
    Heavy squats are not enough on their own. Bodybuilders get bigger by eating and sleeping.
    ...and a boat load of anabolics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Boy View Post
    ...and a boat load of anabolics.
    That's about as true as "every bike racer is a doper". It's also frequently an excuse.

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    Not really the same. In body building competitions, unless it's a 'natural' event, steroids are not illegal or even against the spirit of competition. The only thing that they tend to outlaw is diuretics, which tells you how dangerous those can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Boy View Post
    Not really the same. In body building competitions, unless it's a 'natural' event, steroids are not illegal or even against the spirit of competition. The only thing that they tend to outlaw is diuretics, which tells you how dangerous those can be.

    This.
    Most pro's in just about any sport are doping, on anabolics, or taking some type of performance enhancing drug.
    That isn't a cop-out to support drug usage or to sell yourself short, those are just the facts. These guys get paid to be the best athletes in the world, be glad they're taking any means necessary to make their sports exciting to watch.
    Thank steroids for all of these:
    The MLB homerun race in the late 90's.
    The big hits in football.
    World records in the olympics.
    Pro wrestling even being remotely tolerable (it still isn't, but work with me).

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    I have a hard time funding biking shorts.

    But then I lift...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Null66 View Post
    I have a hard time funding biking shorts.

    But then I lift...
    yes, they can be a bit pricey...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hueyhoolihan View Post
    yes, they can be a bit pricey...
    anyone ever use the knockoff kits from China that they sell on ebay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmontgomery87 View Post
    This.
    Most pro's in just about any sport are doping, on anabolics, or taking some type of performance enhancing drug.
    That isn't a cop-out to support drug usage or to sell yourself short, those are just the facts. These guys get paid to be the best athletes in the world, be glad they're taking any means necessary to make their sports exciting to watch.
    Thank steroids for all of these:
    The MLB homerun race in the late 90's.
    The big hits in football.
    World records in the olympics.
    Pro wrestling even being remotely tolerable (it still isn't, but work with me).
    Regardless, you can plenty big or strong without steroids. Big not to be confused with strong. Genetics and effort are still the primary factors. And when it comes to pure strength and power, you are either strong or you're not, it doesn't matter what you take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprince View Post
    Regardless, you can plenty big or strong without steroids. Big not to be confused with strong. Genetics and effort are still the primary factors. And when it comes to pure strength and power, you are either strong or you're not, it doesn't matter what you take.
    Definitely agree with the bolded. You can't beat hard work and dedication. But the right compounds go a long way to increasing size and strength. I've seen people, who were already at the elite level, make leaps and bounds over a year of cycling anabolics.
    They aren't a magic pill, and I don't think they should be demonized. They're a huge part of a lot of sports, just not something I've been willing to do to improve my performance. I don't really agree with any of the associated risks, unless you're competing at a national level and/or you get paid to participate in x sport.

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    anybody suggest bike commuting through the winter?

    wonder if the OP is still a BF member and or if he attained any personal success with his goals.
    cycling is like baseball ~ it doesn't take much to make it interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprince View Post
    Regardless, you can plenty big or strong without steroids. Big not to be confused with strong. Genetics and effort are still the primary factors. And when it comes to pure strength and power, you are either strong or you're not, it doesn't matter what you take.
    ^^^This!
    Im not trying to "toot my own horn" but a few of my riding buddies do race on teams. Im not on a team yet and while I have 2 road bikes, I like to go on rides sometimes with my track bike. When we ramp it up, they have a hard time keeping up with my efforts and they are on geared bikes(im not starting a geared vs fixed war. I own and ride 2 road bikes). Like Sprince said,genetics and effort. But to be fair, sometimes they put a stomping on me when im gassed out! And for the record, I am 5'10 and 150ish pounds and I have fair sized quads. My female friends love looking at them.LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by VeloNewbie View Post
    ^^^This!
    Im not trying to "toot my own horn" but a few of my riding buddies do race on teams. Im not on a team yet and while I have 2 road bikes, I like to go on rides sometimes with my track bike. When we ramp it up, they have a hard time keeping up with my efforts and they are on geared bikes(im not starting a geared vs fixed war. I own and ride 2 road bikes). Like Sprince said,genetics and effort. But to be fair, sometimes they put a stomping on me when im gassed out! And for the record, I am 5'10 and 150ish pounds and I have fair sized quads. My female friends love looking at them.LOL
    I ride fixed most of the time, and also ride with some very fast roadies once in a while. Even a gentle acceleration is enough to find me well up the road riding by myself. But when it comes to endurance, after the glycogen has run out, I struggle to hang on to the wheels of the slowest riders. There's a world of difference between speed and endurance.

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    I'm 58 and have don't expectations about developing big legs. I ride 14-16 miles a day pretty regularly 3-4 times a week fartlek style, eat a good mix of carbs & protein and I might have added an inch or so to my thighs (23" FWTW) & similar (proportionally) to calves over several years. I spin at about 90-92 when I'm warmed up and late spring through late fall though slack off in the winter for lower rpm's 80 or so, to avoid injury, cold, road conditions. If you want big legs and cardio...play a lot of soccer.
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    Recent research has thrown steroids into a different (less effective) light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by late View Post
    Recent research has thrown steroids into a different (less effective) light.
    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Boy View Post
    ...and a boat load of anabolics.
    Obviously, there is a problem with steroid abuse in athletics, but a blanket statement like this is a load of crap. I was never a "bodybuilder" but I do have a powerlifting background. It torqued me off when people would look at my size and how much I could lift and instantly assume (some very vocally) that I was on steroids (I wasn't). Likewise, when I was in my 40s and had gotten fat, I dropped a lot of weight over about a year. I can't tell you how many people assumed I had gastric bypass and I even had a few people ask me about the operation.

    For the sake of disclosure, I am now 50 and treat low testosterone under a physician's supervision. Once again, it sucks when people equate legitimate treatment for a medical condition with "juicing". My levels with treatment are at or slightly below average for my age group and I work as hard as anyone else for my athletic accomplishments.

    Don't make wild assumptions about people.
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    Take it easy, Francis...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sprince View Post
    Regardless, you can plenty big or strong without steroids. Big not to be confused with strong. Genetics and effort are still the primary factors....
    Quote Originally Posted by bmontgomery87;16261696[B
    ]Definitely agree with the bolded[/B]. You can't beat hard work and dedication. But the right compounds go a long way to increasing size and strength. I've seen people, who were already at the elite level, make leaps and bounds over a year of cycling anabolics.
    They aren't a magic pill, and I don't think they should be demonized. They're a huge part of a lot of sports, just not something I've been willing to do to improve my performance. I don't really agree with any of the associated risks, unless you're competing at a national level and/or you get paid to participate in x sport.
    My point exactly. Genetics and each person's individual hormonal profile plays a huge role in muscle size. Altering that hormone profile will alter potential. I don't think that is a particularly controversial statement. It should be noted that a lot of what steroids do is allow one to recover from a hard workout. It's not about doing _less work_, it's about the capacity to do _more_ work.

    I honestly do not care what drug (medicinal or otherwise) that anyone is on. I'm real libertarian on that type of thing. If it works for you, then have at it. I've never taken testosterone (or any other anabolic, for that matter), but I can definitely see the attraction.
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    I have always had thicker legs from roller skating / speed skating. I had a problem last Oct.. and the Dr's had to put me on metabolic steroids. I thought "Cool ! steroids and gamma rays will give me super powers!" Well, not, lol. after 2 months my glutes and legs are so skinny my previously favorite saddle feels like one of those "ass hatchets" Good news is my last treatment is today ! Friday the 13th. tom
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    Quote Originally Posted by yodatic View Post
    I have always had thicker legs from roller skating / speed skating. I had a problem last Oct.. and the Dr's had to put me on metabolic steroids. I thought "Cool ! steroids and gamma rays will give me super powers!" Well, not, lol. after 2 months my glutes and legs are so skinny my previously favorite saddle feels like one of those "ass hatchets" Good news is my last treatment is today ! Friday the 13th. tom

    are you on the not so fun steroids called corticosteroids? like prednisone and cortisone? cause yeah, they're nothing like anabolic steroids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmontgomery87 View Post
    are you on the not so fun steroids called corticosteroids? like prednisone and cortisone? cause yeah, they're nothing like anabolic steroids.
    Dexamethasone, they have tapered the dosage down from 20mg to only 4! mg per day! I am taking that as a good sign. tom
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myosmith View Post
    Obviously, there is a problem with steroid abuse in athletics, but a blanket statement like this is a load of crap. I was never a "bodybuilder" but I do have a powerlifting background. It torqued me off when people would look at my size and how much I could lift and instantly assume (some very vocally) that I was on steroids (I wasn't). Likewise, when I was in my 40s and had gotten fat, I dropped a lot of weight over about a year. I can't tell you how many people assumed I had gastric bypass and I even had a few people ask me about the operation.

    For the sake of disclosure, I am now 50 and treat low testosterone under a physician's supervision. Once again, it sucks when people equate legitimate treatment for a medical condition with "juicing". My levels with treatment are at or slightly below average for my age group and I work as hard as anyone else for my athletic accomplishments.

    Don't make wild assumptions about people.
    It is amazing what people presume. And what they think they know.

    My response to them was nope, "SQUATS AND MILK"... or "HEAVY-ASSED WEIGHTS"... in a tone that made them wonder if they were the next protein supplement... I figured it was a less hostile way of noting I was less lazy than them.

    It's pathetic how people are profoundly resistant to working a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Null66 View Post
    It is amazing what people presume. And what they think they know.

    My response to them was nope, "SQUATS AND MILK"... or "HEAVY-ASSED WEIGHTS"... in a tone that made them wonder if they were the next protein supplement... I figured it was a less hostile way of noting I was less lazy than them.

    It's pathetic how people are profoundly resistant to working a little.
    Many are simply ignorant about weight training in general. It comes with a whole host of myths; women will get overly muscular, cyclists will get too big, bodybuilders and power lifters all use steroids, etc. I wouldn't go so far as to generalize all those people as lazy. But then there is a arguable correlation between ignorance and laziness in that it's easy to repeat false assertions about something that you have no experience with.

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