Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Training & Nutrition Learn how to develop a training schedule that's good for you. What should you eat and drink on your ride? Learn everything you need to know about training and nutrition here.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-18-03, 04:50 PM   #1
Shannon-UT
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Northern Utah
Bikes: 2003 Diamondback Apex; 1998 Gary Fisher Kaitai (commuter)
Posts: 236
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
creaky joints

I've just started to get very creaky joints this year. I'm a 27 year old active female. I'm at a healthy weight. I excersise about 5 days a week, cardio and strenghtening. I warmup and stretch before workouts, and I stretch after too.

I get a stiff feeling after being in one position for too long. I'm really creaking in my hip and knees when I get out of bed. After sitting in my chair too long at work, I get creaky hips when I stand up. Luckily there is no pain, yet.

DO I have the start of arthritis? THere's no burning or swelling, just stiffness. I do take a calcium supplement because I'm lactose intolerant and can't get calcium everyday through foods.

Is there something I should do to prevent what ever this is I have? I can give yoga a try again, but it seemed to bore me and took too long.

Or is it aging? I have been extremely active this year, more so than any other year of my life.

Last edited by Shannon-UT; 11-18-03 at 04:58 PM.
Shannon-UT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-03, 08:27 PM   #2
av8or
Junior Member
 
av8or's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Bikes: Several Treks and one IronHorse
Posts: 15
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Hi Shannon

I experienced the same symptoms about 18 months ago. In my case it got so painfull I finally had to seem my doctor.

What I was told is that my body was no longer producing enough of the fluid that serves as lubrication for the cartilage in my joints. This is actually a precursor to an arthritic condition. Most people simply don't notice it because they aren't active enough. Cyclists, especially those of us who ride far and often are the exception, we notice it it the knees first, then the hips, and next will be the ankles.

My doctor suggested that I start using an OTC product called Arthri-Flex. This is a glucosamine/chondroitin suppliment that is specifically formulated to lubricate the joints and cartilage. After using it for over a year I'm very happy with it. The pain, while not entirely gone has been significantly reduced. In fact, I was even able to do some century rides again this summer. I had to give them up last year because it hurt too bad.

If you would like to learn more about Arthri-Flex it is made by a company in the USA called 21st Century Health Care I buy mine at my local Kmart store for $20.00 for a bottle of 120 pills which is a four month supply.

Randy
av8or is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-03, 03:40 AM   #3
Croak
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Australia
Bikes:
Posts: 230
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Seconded for glucose/chondroitin. Also, find a product with MSM, a sulfur derivative.

They are the 3 basic ingredient to any good arthtritic/joint formula. Don't stress if they don't work for 2-3 weeks, but you should see results after this time lapse.
Croak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-03, 06:08 AM   #4
wjcronin2002
It's good to be the king!
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Hudson Valley of NY
Bikes:
Posts: 43
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I was starting to get pain in my hip - had it about a year before I found out it was becoming arthritic. Thought I was just having trouble loosening it up. Started taking Tri-flex by GNC which has the Glucosamine, Chondroitin and MSM and have zero pain after taking it for about three weeks.
wjcronin2002 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-03, 09:55 AM   #5
late
Senior Member
 
late's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Southern Maine
Bikes:
Posts: 8,419
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1322 Post(s)
Hi,
the most effective form of glucaosamine is glucosamine sulfate. That is what I take; and it's all I take. I don't think Chondroiten will either help you or hurt you. I have some doubts about MSM.
late is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-03, 10:06 AM   #6
aluckyfiji
A Lost Member
 
aluckyfiji's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Aiken, SC
Bikes: '03 Felt 35R, ~'88 Basso fixie
Posts: 359
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I am right there with you, 25/m, my knees and ankles are shoot from soccer
I take 2000mg of glucosamine sulfate and 1000mg of MSM (my wife takes 2000mg of MSM) daily
I found it is cheaper to buy them separately
It helps, it just takes about 3-4 weeks of medication before the full effects can be seen
I must say that I have never taken chondroitin, it is not that i have anything against it, it is just that i cant afford anymore medications
hope you feel better
aluckyfiji is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-03, 10:13 AM   #7
cbhungry
Jungle lady
 
cbhungry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Bikes: gary fisher cake
Posts: 849
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
another vote for glucosamine chondroitin. Also, epidemiolgical data suggest high intake of fruits and vit c seem to correlate with a decrease in overal incidence of progressive osteoarthritis.
__________________
Ride forever, work whenever.
XX power
Eat more mud, mountain bike 'till you die!

http://www.pnhp.org/
cbhungry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-03, 10:14 AM   #8
Shannon-UT
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Northern Utah
Bikes: 2003 Diamondback Apex; 1998 Gary Fisher Kaitai (commuter)
Posts: 236
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
av8or and wjcronin2002 both spoke of pain with their stiff joints. I do not have pain. How do I know we have the same condition? Did yours start out painless and then get progressively painful?

Should I see a doctor before I start taking pills? What kind of (specialty or not) doctor would that be?

I am anaphylactic to all non-steroidal anti-inflammatories (NSAIDs). Are there any anti-inflammtory properties in these supplements?

Thanks
Shannon-UT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-03, 12:24 PM   #9
SamDaBikinMan
Crank Crushing Redneck
 
SamDaBikinMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: A van down by the river.
Bikes: Bikes are environmentally damaging
Posts: 2,600
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Think of the up side here folks. Soon we will be able to go and have all our aching joints replaced with Titanium ones. Maybe even Litespeed will pioneer some of this market
SamDaBikinMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-03, 12:49 PM   #10
Shannon-UT
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Northern Utah
Bikes: 2003 Diamondback Apex; 1998 Gary Fisher Kaitai (commuter)
Posts: 236
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Man, I don't want to have to take another pill for the rest of my life. I was hoping I could change my diet and fix it, but I already get lots of veggies/fruits.

Bummer.

Thanks everyone. I'll all about prevention, so I'm going to look into those supplements.
Shannon-UT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-03, 12:54 PM   #11
SamDaBikinMan
Crank Crushing Redneck
 
SamDaBikinMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: A van down by the river.
Bikes: Bikes are environmentally damaging
Posts: 2,600
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shannon-UT
Man, I don't want to have to take another pill for the rest of my life. I was hoping I could change my diet and fix it, but I already get lots of veggies/fruits.

Bummer.

Thanks everyone. I'll all about prevention, so I'm going to look into those supplements.
I hear you. I hate to see these poor older people whose lives rotate around what times they have to take each of their pills. When I have to buy a special little pill organizer with days and times printed on the compartments I think I'll go free climb El Capitan and go for one last ride before fizzling out.
SamDaBikinMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-03, 01:11 PM   #12
cbhungry
Jungle lady
 
cbhungry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Bikes: gary fisher cake
Posts: 849
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shannon-UT
av8or and wjcronin2002 both spoke of pain with their stiff joints. I do not have pain. How do I know we have the same condition? Did yours start out painless and then get progressively painful?

Should I see a doctor before I start taking pills? What kind of (specialty or not) doctor would that be?

I am anaphylactic to all non-steroidal anti-inflammatories (NSAIDs). Are there any anti-inflammtory properties in these supplements?

Thanks
no NSAIds. It is not considered a drug. More of a food supplement. No liver or kidney effects. No reason to see a doc for this particular supplement, and it has do drug drug interactions.
__________________
Ride forever, work whenever.
XX power
Eat more mud, mountain bike 'till you die!

http://www.pnhp.org/
cbhungry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-03, 03:56 PM   #13
av8or
Junior Member
 
av8or's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Bikes: Several Treks and one IronHorse
Posts: 15
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shannon-UT
av8or and wjcronin2002 both spoke of pain with their stiff joints. I do not have pain. How do I know we have the same condition? Did yours start out painless and then get progressively painful?

Thanks
I guess I should have clarified that a little better in my initial reply. Initially I simply had stiffness in my knees, hips, and one ankle, that was perhaps 4 years ago. Essentially what you are having now. In my case I was stupid and ignored it until it got painful, so painful (last year) that cycling was no longer enjoyable for me and I dreaded riding distances as short as 10 miles. As a result I pretty much stopped riding my bike. But that created other problems, mainly weight gain.

Weight loss was the main reason I started cycling in the first place. Back in 1992 I weighed 335 lbs. I made up my mind to get rid of all that lard so I took up cycling and over the course of the next 5 years got down to a healthy weight of 180. Since I didn't want to get fat again, and because at some point along that time line I discovered that I really love bike riding, I opted to get the advise of a doctor to find out why I was in so much pain. There is no history of arthritis in my family so I really didn't know what was wrong with me and I was rather surprised when I found out.

Randy
av8or is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-03, 06:46 AM   #14
wjcronin2002
It's good to be the king!
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Hudson Valley of NY
Bikes:
Posts: 43
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by av8or
I guess I should have clarified that a little better in my initial reply. Initially I simply had stiffness in my knees, hips, and one ankle, that was perhaps 4 years ago. Essentially what you are having now. In my case I was stupid and ignored it until it got painful, so painful (last year) that cycling was no longer enjoyable for me and I dreaded riding distances as short as 10 miles. As a result I pretty much stopped riding my bike. But that created other problems, mainly weight gain.


Randy
Shannon - "ditto" what av8or posted. It wasn't really a pain, it was stiffness. For the longest time I reallythought it was a muscle/stretching issue. I felt it most when I got up in the morning or sat for long periods of time.
wjcronin2002 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-03, 07:32 AM   #15
Croak
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Australia
Bikes:
Posts: 230
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by late
Hi,
the most effective form of glucaosamine is glucosamine sulfate. That is what I take; and it's all I take. I don't think Chondroiten will either help you or hurt you. I have some doubts about MSM.
The most effective form of glucosamine is HCl, but it has been shown to elevate resting blood pressure. The demographic who are interested in joint health are also usually interested in low blood pressure, so very few HCl products are marketed. The difference isn't worth the worry.

Chondroitin has a synergistic effect with glucosamine. It is noticeable.

MSM definitely works. It is derived from a product called DMSO. Some still use DMSO directly on joints which does work but has some unwanted side affects and risks.
Croak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-03, 04:24 AM   #16
trmcgeehan
Senior Member
 
trmcgeehan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Somerset, KY -- near Lake Cumberland
Bikes: 1980 Univega; 1985 Ross; 1994 Trek 1400 -- all road bikes
Posts: 757
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I have moderate arthritis in both knees, and Glucosamine/Chondroitin has really worked for me. I have been taking it three times a day for about three months now. It took about two months for it to kick in, but once it did, the soreness in my knees almost completely went away. My doc recommended this, and also said it would be good if I also lost some weight. I weigh 190 and am trying to get down to 175. He said that every pound in your body translates into four pounds at the knee when you walk, so a 10-15 pound weight reduction can be significant. He also said biking is an excellent exercise for arthritic knees. The pumping action compresses the cartiledge (which is like a spunge) and then lets the fluid back in. People who are sedentary don't get this benefit, and their knee cartilege dries out and deteriorates.
trmcgeehan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-03, 09:00 PM   #17
prestonjb
ld-cyclist
 
prestonjb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Bikes:
Posts: 380
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Don't know the specifics of health benifits of cycling as you describe... However I do know I can go a lot further cycling than running

The young folks I ride with (the 25-30 year olds) are all tri-geeks and always try to get me sucked in. I can run some but it messes up my left ITB and lower back.

I'm trying the Glucos/Chon route as a deterrent as I've been doing several 200km, 250km and 300km rides (130, 160 and 190miles) and don't want to destroy me knees because of it.

I lost 60lbs when I started riding for sport in 1995 and it has made a big difference in many ways. I'm trying to sustain 175 now, holidays are going to make it tough

I would recommend cycling as the best way to get exercise that is the least hurting to the knees...

BUT make sure you study a lot about bike setup, shoes and pedals, seat position and such as a bad setup can do damage to your knees. To me the #1 rule is make sure any part of your body that touches the bike along with the position and angle of the legs are detailed exactly for you! The bike can be a klunker, ok no it cant but you gotta make sure that you are sitting on it right!
prestonjb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-03, 04:46 AM   #18
trmcgeehan
Senior Member
 
trmcgeehan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Somerset, KY -- near Lake Cumberland
Bikes: 1980 Univega; 1985 Ross; 1994 Trek 1400 -- all road bikes
Posts: 757
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Cherries

I recently saw an article in my local paper about Montmorency tart cherries. According to the University of Texas Health Science Center, these cherries contain significant quantities of melatonin, a powerful anti-inflamatory antioxidfent. They also contain bioflavonoids, which are stronger than aspirin for releiving pain. These cherries are available dried, canned and frozen, and in tart cherry juice concentrate and ready to drink cherry juice. For more info, visit www.usacherries.com. I haven't tried this yet, but I think I will.
trmcgeehan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:48 PM.