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Old 12-31-03, 10:10 AM   #1
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Ephedra banned

It's a health risk, yet, cigarettes are ok...

Now there's a government decision that's been influenced.
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Old 12-31-03, 10:18 AM   #2
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Finally banned, now that they are all but gone from the shelves. Not to mention its only a health risk is abused.

The MEAT people also banned ******** and malformed cows from consumption (makes me wonder what I've been eating all these years). It is now Illegal to eat cow brain and lower intestine in the USA.

Yesterday was a strange news day.

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Old 12-31-03, 10:46 AM   #3
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Finally banned, now that they are all but gone from the shelves. Not to mention its only a health risk is abused.

The MEAT people also banned ******** and malformed cows from consumption (makes me wonder what I've been eating all these years). It is now Illegal to eat cow brain and lower intestine in the USA.

Yesterday was a strange news day.

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Cow brain isn't all that bad really.

Of course, maybee that's why I'm so edgy now.

I've got madwilliam disease.
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Finally banned, now that they are all but gone from the shelves. Not to mention its only a health risk is abused.
It maybe banned but believe me, Ephedra can be bought in hundreds of places over the internet. I actually bought two containers of AST Sports Science Dymetadrine Xtreme (US banned Version) about 6 months ago which contains Ephedra extract just before it was banned outright.

I have only had 3 tabs out of the 200 I purchased, twice cycling and one when I was playing soccer. The days I took the tabs when I went out cycling were probably the best days I have ever had on a bike ever. I took them with a small amount of creatine and I couldn't believe how easy It was pushing huge gears, up big hills and at the top not being out of breath. It was really strange. I had only been cycling for a month, but I was leaving semi professional riders on the long hills in my area out to dry. The stuff keeps your legs spinning huge gears but without the pain of your lungs & heart.
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I heard that they banned it because ephedra had been linked to 110 deaths over the last ten years. I also heard that asprin averages 100 per year, Tylenol 200-300 and Benadril about 600 per year. Of course I heard this over the radio, and I do not confirm these numbers.
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I heard that they banned it because ephedra had been linked to 110 deaths over the last ten years. I also heard that asprin averages 100 per year, Tylenol 200-300 and Benadril about 600 per year. Of course I heard this over the radio, and I do not confirm these numbers.

Exactly, if you want to look at over the counter products that have killed more people, try plain old tylenol or asprin.


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(1996): "]b]Each year,[/b] use of NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs) accounts for an estimated 7,600 deaths; and 76,000 hospitalizations in the United States." (NSAIDs include aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, diclofenac, ketoprofen, and tiaprofenic acid.)

Source: Robyn Tamblyn, PhD; Laeora Berkson, MD, MHPE, FRCPC; W. Dale Jauphinee, MD, FRCPC; David Gayton, MD, PhD, FRCPC; Roland Grad, MD, MSc; Allen Huang, MD, FRCPC; Lisa Isaac, PhD; Peter McLeod, MD, FRCPC; and Linda Snell, MD, MHPE, FRCPC, "Unnecessary Prescribing of NSAIDs and the Management of NSAID-Related Gastropathy in Medical Practice," Annals of Internal Medicine (Washington, DC: American College of Physicians, 1997), September 15, 1997, 127:429-438, from the web at http://www.acponline.org/journals/a...ep97/nsaid.htm, last accessed Feb. 14, 2001, citing Fries, JF, "Assessing and understanding patient risk," Scandinavian Journal of Rheumatology Supplement, 1992;92:21-4.

However, in all fairness, I will also present some numbers that the proponents of banning ephedra are using:


The American Association of Poison Control Centers reported 1178 ephedrarelated adverse reactions in 2001, accounting for 64% of all adverse reactions secondary to commonly used herbs in the United States. However, ephedra products represented only 0.82% of the herbal products for sale in the United States. Indeed, the relative risk for adverse reactions among ephedra users are 10- to 40-fold higher than the risk among those who use other herbal products. It is for this reason, these anti ephedra people are chanting their mantra.

Adverse effects meaning heart attacks, strokes, palpitatins, chest pain, anxiety attacks etc. and not necessarily deaths.

I don't like ephedra, but at the same time I don't think it should be banned when so many other things are more dangerous.











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Amen CB!

I don't use it, but I agree- there are a lot of other legal substances out there killing people, and no one blinks.

I would also be interested to see how many of those ephedra related adverse reactions are from people who responsibly take ephedra and follow the directions on the box.

We have a tendency to overreact (in the USA) when we see a situation go bad- we have this knee-jerk reaction, then we just sweep it all under the rug and pat it down, without considering all scenarios.

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