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Old 12-31-03, 08:48 PM   #1
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personal trainer?

anybody ever hired a personal trainer? or is a personal trainer? I was wondering if that is a good way to go and how much it will cost me to get one. I weigh 240lbs and am 6'2", I want to get down to around 200-190 within like 5 months. I think a personal trainer would help me achieve those goals because I really dont know very much about working out.

And if anybody knows of any people in Richmond that do this type of work I would love a connection.

thanks all, wish me luck with my resolution.
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A good trainer is worth the money. I paid $480 for 12 visits. If you have the income, go for it.
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My wife and I used a personal trainer in conjunction with the "Body for Life" program sponsored by our local rec dept.

Well worth the money, especially for the wife to learn proper techniques in weight lifting, etc.

About $40 - $50 per hour around here.
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It's not a bad idea. I have never done it, but I learned the hard way. Would have saved in medical bills about as much as the trainer would have cost. The tricky bit is finding a good one. Popular is not the same as successful with middle aged clients. When asking around, make sure the guy has had success with guys like you. He needs to know cold exercises to avoid, start you off REAL slow. Lunges, lifting weights over the head, dead lifts, any squat-like exercise that involves deep knee bends,and more can cause problems. When I start back in, the first day I do my routine on the machines (no free weights at all) and at the lowest setting. I add a plate a week (on the machines) for a while. Add free weights very slowly.I love seated rows, but they are best if you can get your feet about the same level as your butt. After several weeks, the Roman Chair is the next step. If the Roman Chair works for you; it is a wonderful exercise. Calf raises you can start now (and should!) and are great for cyclists. Most will notice an improvement in their pedaling after doing calf raises for a while.My gym has a calf machine that is terrific. Abs are another good area to work, I like to do them on an aerobic day (old bodybuiding trick, not important, abs and arms usually go together but it's such a large muscle it can slow down growth a little). Work your way up to incline sit ups. Exercises like seated rows that use the deep ab muscles (crunches don't hit the underlying ab muscles) are great. I believe (but am not positive) that the incline situps bring the deep abs into play. In any case, that offers benefits in terms of how you feel that are great, if hard to describe. During leg extensions, always do a few extra reps doing just the upper third of the exercise. This nails a small tear drop shaped muscles that stablises the knee when cycling. Very good idea.

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A good trainer will help you to get motivated.

You weight lift technique can be properly assessed to make sure you have good form and a good set of exercises can be structured to help you get the best from your sessions. So, are they worth it? Absolutely.

Of course I've got know all the instructors at my gym very well and they are always willing to help me when I need a bit of fresh input.
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Old 01-03-04, 09:32 AM   #6
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anybody ever hired a personal trainer? or is a personal trainer? I was wondering if that is a good way to go and how much it will cost me to get one. I weigh 240lbs and am 6'2", I want to get down to around 200-190 within like 5 months. I think a personal trainer would help me achieve those goals because I really dont know very much about working out.
knemo77, I am guessing your female and pretty rich or are you a male???...

If your wanting to acheive a loss of 40lbs or so, get on your bike, wrap up warm and keep riding until your legs are sore then ride some more. Old skool I know, but the weight will drop off. I remember once losing 7lbs in one day with that attitude. It was warm but I was only on the bike for 3 hours.

Forget the personal trainer, there "cowboys". If you hire a cowboy, there going to span everything out for as long as possible because they want to keep you on there books for as long as possible.

Put it like this, if you came to train with me, you would lose that weight so much faster than you ever would with a personal trainer. Even though I have given you sparse info, I know alot about heightening metabolism, diet, training, supplementation etc, you don't need a personal trainer.

All the info you need can be found over the internet anyway, whether its better technique for lifting weights, supplements etc etc... Just ask me and I'll give you the links...
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If you don't know much about working out, I think it's a great idea. A good personal trainer will not try and "span everything out" - they'll try to help you solve your problem and work towards your goal. Word of mouth and repeat business is just as important to them as any other profession. Just do your research through local health clubs etc and I'm sure you'd find a good one.

If the cost of a personal trainer seems prohibitive for you, perhaps just get a session or two at your local gym to learn more about proper weight lifting techniques and have a balanced exercise program devised.

The exercise you get through cycling will help you lose the weight, but one of the best ways to make sure you keep it off is to increase your muscle bulk. More muscle burns more calories even when sitting.
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If you don't know much about working out, I think it's a great idea. A good personal trainer will not try and "span everything out" - they'll try to help you solve your problem and work towards your goal. Word of mouth and repeat business is just as important to them as any other profession. Just do your research through local health clubs etc and I'm sure you'd find a good one.
Of course they will solve the problem and work towards the goal of fat loss, it just seems to take them forever to achieve it. Every trainer knows how to keep there clients on there books for a very long time.

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If the cost of a personal trainer seems prohibitive for you, perhaps just get a session or two at your local gym to learn more about proper weight lifting techniques and have a balanced exercise program devised.

The exercise you get through cycling will help you lose the weight, but one of the best ways to make sure you keep it off is to increase your muscle bulk. More muscle burns more calories even when sitting.
The best way to keep your weight off is to increase your muscle bulk?????????????????????????????????????...

God, I wouldn't be hiring you to sort out my power-to weight ratio, lol. Ever wondered why pro cyclists have very little muscle mass.

Weight lifting isn't exactly a great stimulant for weight loss. Squats, Deadlifts, Bench's etc just don't cut it against running, cycling, rowing, eliptical trainers etc (for fat loss). If you want to know more about weight lifting technique go to http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

If you are wanting to increase your muscle bulk, then you can surely forget about competive cycling. I heard muscle weigh's 3x more than fat.
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If your wanting to acheive a loss of 40lbs or so, get on your bike, wrap up warm and keep riding until your legs are sore then ride some more. Old skool I know, but the weight will drop off. I remember once losing 7lbs in one day with that attitude.
Unfortunately, it wasn't 7 pounds of fat - your loss was mostly water weight. Your post typifies why a good personal trainer can be beneficial. Educating yourself is of paramount importance, but a good personal trainer will map out a long-term plan for you to follow while he aids in your education.

BTW, this plan will not include you riding until all the water is beaten out of your body. If it does, find another trainer.
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The best way to keep your weight off is to increase your muscle bulk?????????????????????????????????????...

God, I wouldn't be hiring you to sort out my power-to weight ratio, lol. Ever wondered why pro cyclists have very little muscle mass.
I don't think knemo77 is a pro cyclist. In any case, every pro cyclist I've seen has had a heckuva lot of muscle mass. Not in their upper body, sure, but they are almost pure muscle everywhere else. For the average person, correct weight training on the right areas in conjunction with a good exercise plan can be highly beneficial to long term weight loss.

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Weight lifting isn't exactly a great stimulant for weight loss. Squats, Deadlifts, Bench's etc just don't cut it against running, cycling, rowing, eliptical trainers etc (for fat loss).
Short term fat loss is not the key to long term weight loss. A weights program can be a part of a program that is a great stimulant for long term weight loss. If you read my post before responding, you might have noticed that I wasn't suggesting just doing weights, but rather using them in conjunction with cycling or similar exercise routine.

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If you want to know more about weight lifting technique go to http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html
If you want to know more about which exercises are right for you and your goals, talk to somebody. Internet research is great, but it's not the be-all and end-all.

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If you are wanting to increase your muscle bulk, then you can surely forget about competive cycling. I heard muscle weigh's 3x more than fat.
So that explains why professional cyclists are so damn fat???
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knemo77 - to refine my answer to your question: I'm not a personal trainer. I have, however, used them in the past for short engagements to help keep me on track - usually a couple of sessions only to develop and refine my overall exercise routine. It taught me a lot about how to develop and maintain my body as an average joe. I'm not a professional athlete, so needed a program that understood that.
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Put it like this, if you came to train with me, you would lose that weight so much faster than you ever would with a personal trainer. Even though I have given you sparse info, I know alot about heightening metabolism, diet, training, supplementation etc, you don't need a personal trainer.
Aren't you the person who posted on the Ephedra thread that you took some Ephedra and then went biking?

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I have only had 3 tabs out of the 200 I purchased, twice cycling and one when I was playing soccer. The days I took the tabs when I went out cycling were probably the best days I have ever had on a bike ever. I took them with a small amount of creatine and I couldn't believe how easy It was pushing huge gears, up big hills and at the top not being out of breath. It was really strange. I had only been cycling for a month, but I was leaving semi professional riders on the long hills in my area out to dry. The stuff keeps your legs spinning huge gears but without the pain of your lungs & heart.
Man, personally I would stay far away from any advice you might give.

What you are doing is not good practice, IMHO.
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I don't think knemo77 is a pro cyclist. In any case, every pro cyclist I've seen has had a heckuva lot of muscle mass. Not in their upper body, sure, but they are almost pure muscle everywhere else. For the average person, correct weight training on the right areas in conjunction with a good exercise plan can be highly beneficial to long term weight loss.
Lets not associate muscle mass with cycling, ain't happening. When we talk about muscle mass, where talking professional bodybuilders, not guys who look like catwalk supermodels who need a good feed.

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If you want to know more about which exercises are right for you and your goals, talk to somebody. Internet research is great, but it's not the be-all and end-all.
What if that somebody doesn't know what hes talkin about. Would he know the top 10 exercises for improving power output in sprinting for example. Very much doubt it. All the answers are out there on the internet with proof to back it up.

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Yup, Its all about Power output- Weight ratio. Whether cycling, sprinting, martial arts etc etc... If your gonna bulk up with weights, forget it.

Ever wondered why Kim Collins who weighs 140lbs is the worlds No.1 sprinter???... Why Bruce Lee was in & out of range of someones reach within a blink of an eye, Why an elephant can't jump, but a squirrel can almost jump 6 feet in the air.... Ect Etc...
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knemo77, I am guessing your female and pretty rich or are you a male???...
well id be a pretty big gal at 6'2" 240...but no im a guy. I am not trying to be a pro cyclist but am using cycling as my major form of cardio. I was just wondering how personal trainers have helped those who have used one. So far I am using whey protien twice a day and eating 4 other smaller meals, attempting to promote a faster metabolism. I am circuit lifting in the morning and riding the trainer in front of the TV at night for 45 minutes. I don't want rapid weight loss because I have done it that way before and failed miserably with even more rapid weight gain after I started eating normally again.

I have plenty of money for the trainer so that is not a problem, I want to find a good trainer who has worked with my body type before. When I was in high school 110 years ago I weighed 280lbs and looked slimmer than I do now because I was a muscular kid. But years of college and drinking have screwed that all up. I have quit drinking and am serious about getting my body back in fighting form.

I could do it myself over time but I was just wondering if a trainer could help me do it correctly and make it a achievable long term goal as well as a attainable lifestyle change.

From what i've read in this post I believe that a trainer is very helpfull for motivation and working out a plan. My only desire now is to find a fellow Richmonder and see who they are using and where they are going.

thanks for all the responses....
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Lets not associate muscle mass with cycling, ain't happening. When we talk about muscle mass, where talking professional bodybuilders, not guys who look like catwalk supermodels who need a good feed.

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Ect Etc...
I think you're severely missing the point in here.

You may associate muscle mass with body builders. In English, however, mass does not mean 'as huge as you can be', but rather refers to physical volume or bulk of unspecified size or quantity. I'm not suggesting body builder style mass at all. I'm suggesting what various personal trainers have suggested for me - it's all well to lose fat when losing weight, but while you're at it build your muscles up to give your body a helping hand.

Cyclists, indeed any athletes, do succeed through power to weight ratio. They do this by building up the muscles where they need the power i.e. building muscle mass and associated strength in the right places. I've never seen a serious cyclist with chicken legs, nor carrying extra fat just because it's lighter than muscle.

I still don't think knemo77 is trying to be a pro cyclist. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of us in here are average Joe/Janes who enjoy cycling, and aspire to having a much more balanced physique than that of a professional cyclist.
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knemo77 - I'm sure a personal trainer will help you out a lot. Shop around before you buy, though, to make sure you are getting someone with demonstratable results with people of your body type and goals. That's what I did, and I was very happy with the results.

Vitamin X - Enjoy your Ephedra.
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It took quite a while for it to home with me. I found that no matter how hard I worked I could never lose weight as I was simply trading blubber for muscle and at one point my weight started to go up which was quite demoralising! Now, I concentrate on inch loss as that is something I can measure just be looking at it and the best slimming aid of all are my trousers. What with the Xmas season eating and couch potato pose, my trousers are definitely straining to contain excess non-muscle!

Thankfully, I get back to the gym in earnest tomorrow but alas, the gym will be full of newbies all psyched up with Xmas eating guilt, for say, six weeks or so and then it will get back to the regulars only.
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I was a PT (personal trainer) for 12 years. With a degree in kinesiology and
Human bio-mechanics and was certified through ACSM (American College of Sports Medicine, IMO the best certifying body out there).

Yes there are a lot of trainers that will do what they can to keep you around (The salesman type) but there are a few that will help you achieve what you want and teach you how to stay there one you finish training with them. When I was training others I looked at it more as teaching rather then selling.

Go to you local gym(s) and interview the trainers. You can get a good idea just sitting and talking with them. If they are truly interested in your health they should not have a problem with that. Like a job interview. Tell them your goals and ask them how they would go about getting you there. Also speak with their clients (if the client does not mind)
Who are they certified through? What is there educational background?

What do they know about nutrition and will they help set up a properly balanced diet that will help you achieve your goals. They do not have to be a nutritionist to set up a good meal plan but they should have a good knowledge base on the subject. Weights and cardio will help loose the weight but it all starts with a good meal plan. It is surprising how much weight a person can lose just by eating properly.

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