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    Jogging..

    Hi Guys, I am wondering if jogging can help cyclers in any way? Does professional cyclers usually run as their daily workouts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jecjec81 View Post
    Hi Guys, I am wondering if jogging can help cyclers in any way? Does professional cyclers usually run as their daily workouts?
    Depends on the alternative. If you are going to jog instead of ride, no it won't help make you faster. - TF

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    i dont too many pro cyclist do any running. however, for the average rec rider anything you do to increase your fitness level will help. running over the winter months has helped me greatly. i maintain my weight and fitness and find that it takes me less time to find my cycling legs when Spring rolls around. i like running as a cross training alternative for sure. later.

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    For newer riders, running or any other aerobic exercise helps gain fitness and lose excess weight. More experienced riders may run during the winter, and run or not during the riding season. I have ridden about 5000 miles a year for 30 years, raced for 10 years when younger, and now find I cannot get my pulse up when running because my running muscles are much weaker than my cycling muscles. During non daylight savings time I run at lunch, but always ride on the weekend year round because I enjoy riding and training on the bike.

    Do what you enjoy, it is supposed to be for fun....repeat after me: Cycling is Cycling....not exercise

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin55 View Post
    For newer riders, running or any other aerobic exercise helps gain fitness and lose excess weight. More experienced riders may run during the winter, and run or not during the riding season. I have ridden about 5000 miles a year for 30 years, raced for 10 years when younger, and now find I cannot get my pulse up when running because my running muscles are much weaker than my cycling muscles. During non daylight savings time I run at lunch, but always ride on the weekend year round because I enjoy riding and training on the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jecjec81 View Post
    Hi Guys, I am wondering if jogging can help cyclers in any way? Does professional cyclers usually run as their daily workouts?
    Most pro riders could barely run a mile - they only have muscles to do cycling.

    Jogging can help with cardio, and weight bearing exercise is a good idea for people that do a lot of cycling to reduce the chance of osteoporosis.
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    Lance Armstrong ran the Boston Marathon. he did well but not great. I have been a runner my who life and have not been able to do better than 12 miles. Lance is a super athlete and can run marathons and win cycling races. My guess is all pro bike racers are super athletes and very competitive and could out run most of us with little trouble or training.

    So do they run? Probably, but only to win and they win more on a bike.
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    I would like to add that I started riding bikes one year ago. I love it. I started to ride to relieve knee pain that was caused by unbalanced muscles from running that was causing knee pain. Essentially I needed to strengthen my quads. Soon biking became an addiction. Truly a great sport. However I now have tendinitis in my knee for two weeks after a particularly hard 56 mile ride. I ride hard for fun, to challenge myself and it looks like I over did it. So tonight I went on my first jog in roughly one year. It was short as I want to start easy. I think with all things and especially muscle systems balance is a very good thing. I think I will be trying to balance biking and jogging in the future to keep myself in top shape and to reduce injuries.

    Biking with intensity can get me the same cardio as a jogging easily and if I am hill climbing it is the same as a very intense run. The difference is that it is hard to stay at max output for as long on a bike. But with determination I can get winded going down hill and up on a bike. Plus downhill speeds are way better when you are trying to get your cardio up, very fun. So one vs. the other for fitness is all about mindset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckguy View Post
    Lance Armstrong ran the Boston Marathon. he did well but not great. I have been a runner my who life and have not been able to do better than 12 miles. Lance is a super athlete and can run marathons and win cycling races. My guess is all pro bike racers are super athletes and very competitive and could out run most of us with little trouble or training.

    So do they run? Probably, but only to win and they win more on a bike.
    Armstrong ran the Boston Marathon after he quit professional cycling. Now that he's back to cycling, he doesn't run any marathons. Pro bike racers are focused on cycling. They'd be daft if they spend much time running.

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    Both two different performances, running weight bearing, cycling not weight bearing. Running wears your body out more than cycling would because of this. So it's a yin yang thing. I do both and they are both equally demanding. I'm a backpacker in the summer and running supports this, while cycling helps me maintain my kick boxing legs.

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    I cross train w/ weight-bearing exercise for bone density-- there is some concern that serious cyclists may lose bone density due to sweating out calcium (and not stimulating bone building).

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckguy View Post
    Lance Armstrong ran the Boston Marathon. he did well but not great. I have been a runner my who life and have not been able to do better than 12 miles. Lance is a super athlete and can run marathons and win cycling races. My guess is all pro bike racers are super athletes and very competitive and could out run most of us with little trouble or training.

    So do they run? Probably, but only to win and they win more on a bike.
    didnt do that great. two sub 3 hour marathons. you are crazy not to consider that great when the majority of folks in the WORLD cant run 3 miles. later.

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    I used to love my jogging. even did a couple runs across bride openings. ( Sunshine Skyway Bridge.) It really keeps the weight off. More effective than cycling, I fear. But, after 5 years of running, I wonder if my right knee will always be fit enough for cycling. Do replacement knees work well in the long run.
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    Running/jogging uses a different set of leg muscles that do NOT translate directly to on-bike performance. It's a great way to keep fit though...if you can withstand it.

    Swimming offers more for cyclists than running because it extensively uses your core muscles and works your upper body better than lifting.

    I'd go with racewalking though. Look at that sprint!

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    ^^^^ running also provides benefit to the upper body / core. the upper body is involved in running where it barely moves in cycling. later.

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    Armstrong, I believe, has done 3 marathons so far. Two New York and one Boston. Each time, he has bettered his time. For a triathlete, his times are very good. But to go against the Kenyans, Ethiopians, no.

    There are a lot of runners who turn to cycling and they either do both because their bodies can take it, or they end up just cycling.

    Therefore we shouldn't look to the professional cyclist for answers to everything. Who knows what else they do to win.

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    jogging will increase endurance at LT for sure. gotta do at least 10k runs though.

    running up hills will help leg power

    ---jogging won't hurt. it builds the aerobic power system a lot more than it helps
    cycling specific muscles. it burns way more calories to run than ride. so run some 10k
    and you will definitely have more kung-fu on long bike rides or races

    I'd run to mix things up, but my feet will asplode after a summer of running. I can only just ride
    or lift weights if I expect to stay with a routine.


    one way to see it. I know an endurance cyclist who runs a boatload. you go riding with him and he will
    just not go faster than 23 mph, ever. so you drop him for the first 3 hours. then the day burns on and
    guess what. he is still nailing 23mph no problem. so now it is 6 hours into the ride. I am kinda hoping
    this dude will fade. nope, 23 mph. 8 hours in....maybe I am thinking of taking a little rest at 18mph.
    so i do.....and the runner dude keeps cranking at 22mph....and off into the sunset....

    he doesn't have the typical road race speed for a 5 hour smackdown, but he doesn't slow down either
    running gave him that LT endurance to just steam along all day at a decent clip
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garfield Cat View Post
    Armstrong, I believe, has done 3 marathons so far. Two New York and one Boston. Each time, he has bettered his time. For a triathlete, his times are very good. But to go against the Kenyans, Ethiopians, no.

    There are a lot of runners who turn to cycling and they either do both because their bodies can take it, or they end up just cycling.

    Therefore we shouldn't look to the professional cyclist for answers to everything. Who knows what else they do to win.
    he wasnt trying to win or even thinking he could win. at the sport of marathoning he is an Amature not a professional like the people you mention. for an amature, three marathons all sub 3 hours, is pretty good. that was my point. someone saying he didnt fair well at them is just wrong. that is all. later.

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    As an avid runner and cyclist, I believe that cycling does very little to help running, but running can help cycling, or at least keep you in cycling-type shape.

    When I was cycling more than I was running in the beginning of last year, I could barely run 30 mins. After running a lot and then going to the bike, I can do 40-50 miles at a decent (though maybe not decent to some of you) clip without having done any cycling for a few weeks.

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    Lance Armstrong ran a 2:45 marathon I think. Anyone who thinks that "isnt very good" should try it themselves. His time was fantastic. If you want to compare it to the pro runners like the Kenyans and Ethiopians just remember those guys average about 5'3 - 5'5 and weigh about 114-120 lbs. Armstrong ran his races at about 170-175 lbs.

    BUT....yes, I think running is good for cycling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunFlower View Post
    Lance Armstrong ran a 2:45 marathon I think. Anyone who thinks that "isnt very good" should try it themselves. His time was fantastic. If you want to compare it to the pro runners like the Kenyans and Ethiopians just remember those guys average about 5'3 - 5'5 and weigh about 114-120 lbs. Armstrong ran his races at about 170-175 lbs.

    BUT....yes, I think running is good for cycling.
    You must also remember that Armstrong did not go straight from his 7th tour win right to a marathon. He had to hire a running coach and trained for over two years before his 2:45 marathon, and having run a couple, worse times before that one.

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    As a recreational rider running regularly definitely helps in my overall cycling performance.
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    The better overall condition you are in, the better cyclist (or any other sort of athlete) you are.

    For the reasons stated in this thread and more, running can help cycling.

    A balanced plan is vital to avoid over-training. Throw in some free weights, running, agility drills, plyometrics, swimming, etc. to your training and I'll bet you see improvements to your cycling as a result.
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    I should add that if you want a good core workout on the bike, find a nice, steep climb and do it out-of-saddle at 60 rpms on a big gear ratio. That will crank your tummy for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PDay View Post
    As an avid runner and cyclist, I believe that cycling does very little to help running, but running can help cycling, or at least keep you in cycling-type shape.

    When I was cycling more than I was running in the beginning of last year, I could barely run 30 mins. After running a lot and then going to the bike, I can do 40-50 miles at a decent (though maybe not decent to some of you) clip without having done any cycling for a few weeks.
    opposite for me. this summer i have not been running much at all. maybe 100 miles, but 3000 on the bike. i have had no trouble starting my running season with 3 mile runs. everyone is different. later.

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