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Old 07-14-08, 11:36 PM   #1
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Can someone explain overcompensation and recovery?

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Among the phenomena which take place during training, overcompensation and the way it works seems to be the one I find the less inormation about. Can anyone please explain what are the things that are actually happening during the overcompensation phase?
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HI,

Among the phenomena which take place during training, overcompensation and the way it works seems to be the one I find the less inormation about. Can anyone please explain what are the things that are actually happening during the overcompensation phase?
Your 'fitness' (whatever you are targeting) is at a certain level. You stress it. The body (during recovery) overcompensates for this stress and builds your 'fitness' to a slightly higher level. If you then stress it again at this new level - rather than while still stressed (no recovery) or letting it go back down to the original level (too long of a recovery) - the body will overcompensate to an even higher level. The trick is figuring out when that peak is. TF
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Thanks for the clear answer. Now, how can you tell in which phase of your recovery you are?
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Thanks for the clear answer. Now, how can you tell in which phase of your recovery you are?
When you find the metric for that, write a book. - TF
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To add to Turbo's thoughts...traditionally it's called supercompensation and is the result of over-reaching in your training (a fine line to over-training, so be cautious)...you introduce training stress for a period of time - say three weeks..then do a systematic recovery that allows the body to adapt and recover from the training load - again, typically, when peaking/tapering you drop the training volume by 40-60%, training frequency by only a bit (maybe 1 less day per week) - but the trick is to keep INTENSITY at, or very near the level you were using during your build/overload period. The most common tapering period, towards a peak performance, is two weeks'ish - varies by athlete. Supercompensation is a smaller version of this - a more traditional work/recovery cycle, most often without the intensity component during recovery, which is also shorter than two weeks...you actually compensate for nearly every training stress at some level....it's the overload/recovery cycle that facilitates supercompensation
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BTW, their are physiologists/coaches that think this 'cycle' (whether daily or monthly) is not necessary and that a steady state workload works at least as well. - TF
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BTW, their are physiologists/coaches that think this 'cycle' (whether daily or monthly) is not necessary and that a steady state workload works at least as well. - TF
I think this is more prevalent in Australian training theories. It may work physiologically, but less likely to be sustainable on a psychological basis.
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I think this is more prevalent in Australian training theories. It may work physiologically, but less likely to be sustainable on a psychological basis.
Also, the 'cycle' is still there, it just is completed within 24 hrs so you can do it again the next day. - TF
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