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Old 03-05-04, 08:06 PM   #1
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Steroids and Sports

Here in the US, there has been some news of professional baseball players using steroids. I was wondering what everyone thought of the role of steroids in sports. Do you think their use is appropriate? Should they be illegal? Should one face criminal charges for using steroids? Or only the consequenses from the sports in which they are against the rules?

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Old 03-05-04, 08:19 PM   #2
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Personally, I would not take them, but I think that if someone is dumb enough to, then let them. Let them suffer the consequences in later life!!!
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Thats not the only consequence there is serious long (and short term)health consequences to steroid and growth hormone abuse particularly at the levels being used today by athletes .And just look at them the signs of "giantism" from GH abuse square jaw etc. are very evident they are basically freaks of nature with size well beyond that able to healthfully be supported by their frame.There is no easy solution as more regulation is rarely a good answer the problem is more our culture of excess with a more and bigger is better philosophy and the athletes are just a high profile product of this culture.But perhaps some belt tighting is required hopefully the organizations will be able to curb it somewhat themselves.But as far as I'm concerned its not really my problem to worry about though it is one of the symptoms of why I'm not really crazy about organized sports.
By the way where are you at these days .Hopefully not in Mexico buying up cheap and easily obtainable steroids to smuggle into the country j/k.
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I think its simply cheating. Anyone can become a power hitter if they juice up. Call me old fashioned (and Im only 19) but I love it when I see certain people and know they havent doped or used steroids but are at the top of their game. Because you know to get there they had to put in long hours of work, in the mornings, in the dark. Had to diet, had to sweat. Not just they popped two pills in the morning, supplements with formulated protein powders and what not. I think most importantly steroid/drug use turns me away because I immediately realize I cant become anything like them, unlike with other, clean athletes, however slim the chance, I can think if I just put in the time and work that they did and keep at it I can reach their level given enough time. Thats the end of my longwinded feelings toward steroids.
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"anybody can become a power hitter if they juice up".

Yeah right. The only thing separating you and Barry Bonds is steroids :-) Today's pro sports are so competitive that even athletes who use steroids have to train hard. I don't think steroids should be allowed because they allow athletes willing to sacrifice their health for short term success to outcompete clean athletes. If left unchecked steroid use would force clean athletes out of sports and athletics would no longer be seen as a healthy activity. I'm for extremely harsh penalties for steroid use, including for coaches and trainers caught supplying them.

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I think its simply cheating.
That's it in a nut-shell. Cheating is cheating - nuff said. However, we seem to reward, rather than punish cheaters in the States. None of the recent athletes (Bonds, etc..) accused of using steroids will face any charges, nor will they face any sanctions from their own sport. Money talks, and cheaters walk around here.

Sad but true.
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That's it in a nut-shell. Cheating is cheating - nuff said. However, we seem to reward, rather than punish cheaters in the States. None of the recent athletes (Bonds, etc..) accused of using steroids will face any charges, nor will they face any sanctions from their own sport. Money talks, and cheaters walk around here.

Sad but true.
Its the fault of the fans unfortunately. What would possibly make any major sports league check their players. They are stuck in a catch 22. Between the fans wanting constant progressions, the leagues wanting to keep the fans interested and the players trying to be the best possible, steroids, growth hormones and just about anything else that works for sports performance will never go away.
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So, do you all think that all steroids should be illegal or just a few?

First my opinions about GH (growth hormone).I believe there is no reason for its use unless you suffer from dwarfism. Yes GH will get you huge and lean but it not only causes your muscles to grow but your bones and organs as well. Also the affects from GH do not go away as they do with steroids when you stop using. GH will also cause any cancerous cells to grow and spread more rapidly. It can also turn a healthy person into a diabetic.

As for steroids, I believe there is a place for them IF they are used properly and under a physicians care in sports that are highly demanding of the human body. They can help in the recovery time between events and from injury. Also, the side effects are minimal if NOT abused. One should also have a blood panel done before using and one every month while taking the steroids. Unfortunately most users do not follow proper protocol and end up putting them self at risk.
It is too bad that our culture, as RWTD stated, has a philosophy of "the more, the bigger, the better" and that is what causes the problems we are having with this issue. We are always going to have those individuals that over do steroid use.

As far as cheating goes, yes they are because the rules that govern most professional sport say the use of illegal drugs is not allowed.

As for charging them for breaking the law, NO, If you find them in possession then yes charge them but if it is only in their system how could you? If an athlete were to travel to a country that steroids are legal and use them there what laws has he/she broken? None.
Now if the sanctioning body of his/her particular sport has a rule against using then they have the right and should penalize that athlete with an exception, if the athlete is not using while competing then again he/she has not broken the rules.

Granted the above is MY opinion. I have played ball all my life and I still do, I even played a few years at the pro level and contrary to what most people think, steroids are not used by as many player as they would think. Let me rephrase that a bit. Most players have experimented with steroids at some point or another and a lot of them found that there was no real increase in their playing ability (key word, ability).

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I don't really care about pros doing it, but I have a feeling that if the pros start doing it openly, then kids will be trying to emulate the pros, and take steriods in order to get better to be like their idols. Like it or not, professional athletes are role models.

Nonetheless, I don't think that people should be arrested for doping or using steriods. it is not a criminal offense, and if the drug (HGH, for example) was being perscribed legally by a real doctor, there is nothing legally wrong...but they should be suspended and punished by rules from the individual leagues.
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I don't really care about pros doing it, but I have a feeling that if the pros start doing it openly, then kids will be trying to emulate the pros, and take steriods in order to get better to be like their idols. Like it or not, professional athletes are role models.

Nonetheless, I don't think that people should be arrested for doping or using steriods. it is not a criminal offense, and if the drug (HGH, for example) was being perscribed legally by a real doctor, there is nothing legally wrong...but they should be suspended and punished by rules from the individual leagues.
Maybe fines by these sports organizations or the government would do good. These people can obviously afford them so just persuade them to either hide it well, or choose not to do it (for reasons of setting bad unhealthy examples for our youth).
Of course smoking kills people, and adults have kids getting into it, but it isn't a 'cheating drug' so we can leave it alone.

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Unfortunately the testing will always lag behind the technology. With the wealth and prestige success brings there will always be a demand for them.

I like what Chris Boardman did after he set the hour record. He produced enough samples blood, urine, hair etc.. so that some could be stored and tested later as tests evolve. Assuming there is no corruption in the system, that may be the only way to have any confidence at all that the records of today have any relevance to those in the past.
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i say: let's force all pro athletes onto a regimented steroids and growth hormone program. they'll get seriously good and fast in no time. i mean, can you imagine 600 foot home runs the norm? 8 second 100 metre dashes, 3 minute miles, world hour cycling records of 60 km (on the traditional merckx styled bikes)? now that would be cool.

all kidding aside(and i was only kidding about forcing athletes to take steroids: the rest of the stuff would be very cool), i really don't have a problem w/ steroids, so long as it's the individual's choice. if they are forced to take drugs, i think that's wrong. but if they weigh the advantages and disadvantages of taking drugs and still opt to take them, who am i to stop em. its not like taking the drugs instantly, or effortlessly, makes you better at your chosen sport. you still have to put in the time and practice. to me, there's not that much difference between the "to steroid or not" dilema and the "to spend all of my time and energy training and not have any left for my family/kids/social opportunities or not" dilema.

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